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re: “If Tyre Nichols Had Complied He Would Still Be Alive….”

Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:38 pm to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
10960 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:38 pm to
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maybe he sensed something was up


If I'm out driving and minding my own damn business and the next thing I know, a squad of cops start out acting crazy and manhandling me then you better believe id think something was up and I would damn sure fear for my safety.

Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5816 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:39 pm to
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The haymakers kinda gotta be exposed and im as pro cop as one could be. It is just a shithole city and they are all no different than each other. 5 cops and 1 subject all broke laws, all from the same race.



People are murdered every day. Most go ignored. I'm not trying to say we should sweep police violence under the rug.

What I am saying is that it seems awfully conveninet that any time a story like this breaks it buries more important stories. Is it sad that, Tyre got killed by some thug cops? Yeah, sure. Is it a big deal in the scheme of things? No, not really. But we're all supposed to pretend like this is the most important story in the nation right now? bullshite.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:44 pm to
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That doesn’t mean the cops didn’t murder him. It doesn’t mean they weren’t out to get him and it doesn’t mean they were in the right at any stage of this. It doesn’t even mean that he wasn’t justified in running; maybe he sensed something was up. But the guy didn’t comply and it’s weird that people either can’t see that or just refuse to admit it because they think it’s somehow defending the cops.


I literally don't give a frick. The supposed professionals in the videos are in blue. And, they ended up being murderers. Period. Yes. Had their victim sufficiently kissed their asses, they may not have killed him. To which I say, so what.

Sure. I'll teach my children not to do that. But, at the end of the day, the cops murdered him. And they did so out of anger and frustration. Nothing more. All over a goddamned traffic stop.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:47 pm to
People need to stop talking about Cop Civilian interaction as if we are witnessing a bar disagreement between two schmos.

The cops are state actors and are supposed to enforce the law. The LAW. Not their emotions. Not their anger. The LAW!

If I'm in a bar and some dude grabs my girl's arse then punches me afterwards and runs for it.......and I chase him down with 6 guys and beat him to death, you can bet your arse that the cops will arrest me and, I'm not gonna have a positive day in court.

There is no reason why a police officer should be allowed to kill someone because he can't control his temper any more than I should be allowed to.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
3633 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:49 pm to
I would not be shocked if many in here have a “Don’t Tread on Me” sticker right above a “Thin Blue Line” sticker.


Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
10960 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:51 pm to
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But we're all supposed to pretend like this is the most important story in the nation right now? bullshite.


It is a more important story than Ukraine, the deficit, etc.

This is a story about rights and freedom. Nothing trumps that in my book.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 7:01 pm
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:51 pm to
Finally, I've seen enough videos at this point to know that police have no fricking idea what "resisting" is.

I've seen people thrown to the ground breaking their face over turning their bodies about 1 degree different than the cop wants. Cops have clearly been trained horrendously in this area. They also treat pretty much every human they encounter as if they're some sort of psychic savant. Spitting out streams of conflicting directives and then beating people's arse for failing to discern the correct directive.

They also love to lord their authority over when you when completely unnecessary. A simple one is the fact that for some retarded reason, cops have been trained to refuse to tell you why they've pulled you over until after you give them your license. It's just utter petty bullshite that AGAIN shows that cops are being trained to treat the public as their enemy.

This whol fricking thing was over a traffic stop. Dude didn't have a warrant. Nothing. A fricking traffic stop!

Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
10960 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 6:58 pm to
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I would not be shocked if many in here have a “Don’t Tread on Me” sticker right above a “Thin Blue Line” sticker.




"If Randy Weaver had complied, then nothing would have happened!!"

fricking ridiculous.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
54892 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:00 pm to
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Instead he ran


Five dudes are yelling conflicting orders at him and they all are armed. His house was 100 yards away.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:07 pm to
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I would not be shocked if many in here have a “Don’t Tread on Me” sticker right above a “Thin Blue Line” sticker.






I guarantee there are a number of them here.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:08 pm to
I used to be that guy. The guy who made excuses for cops. Dating all the way back to Rodney King, you'd have heard me say, "well, if you piss the cops off by running like that, don't be stunned when they beat your arse on arrival.

But that's fricking retarded and I'm ashamed I ever thought it. Even Rodney King. Sure. Dumb arse shouldn't have run. And, I'm sure the cops were pissed as frick.

But, sorry. If you want to be a cop, you don't get to beat the shite out of people just cause you've got sand in your vagina.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18760 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:21 pm to
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What I just described is military training but I'd be willing to bet they hear the same stuff.


That’s entirely a different problem all together. Military are trained against threats. An enemy.

Police are supposed to be trained to deal with difficult citizens afforded many rights of a free society.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:33 pm to
A different subject, but there are far too many ex military in our police and sheriff depts.

Hell, some of the deputies in my rural county look more like they are on a mission in Mosul than looking for speeders. And they act about the same.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
157703 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:33 pm to
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November 12, 2021 at 7:33 pm CST

MEMPHIS, Tenn. — The Memphis Police Department has a new crime-fighting unit.

MPD’s new SCORPION Unit launched this week.

SCORPION stands for Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods.

According to MPD, the unit is made up of four teams of officers whose primary focus will be violent crime reduction and the saturation of hot spot areas throughout the city.

The department shared a video of the unit having roll call and preparing to hit the streets Friday for the first time.

This week, Chief CJ Davis vowed to crack down on reckless driving in the city.

“Our efforts are not just to write citations and send them on their way,” Davis said during a crime forum on Wednesday night. “When we identify individuals who are reckless driving to the point where others are in danger, we want to take your car too.”

At Wednesday night’s forum Chief Davis also talked about gun crime.

“In 2021, year to date, there have been more than 15,000 shootings in the city of Memphis, and out of those 15,000, about 2,000 people have been struck or hit by gunfire. These are alarming numbers,” said Davis.

The Crime Commission will hold two more public forums next week in Frayser and South Memphis.

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/mpd-launches-new-scorpion-unit-help-reduce-violent-crimes

It is now shut-down.

Memphis police’s ‘SCORPION’ unit shut down after fatal Tyre Nichols beating
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
61071 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:59 pm to
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“Our efforts are not just to write citations and send them on their way,” Davis said
Oooof.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
21572 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 9:05 pm to
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This is one of the few times where you can't really assume that. Those cops looked like they had an agenda right from the outset.


Yes. These bloodthirsty sociopaths were hellbent on inflicting their will on another person in the most violent fashion as possible. The notion that Nichols refused to comply with the “lawful orders” of such sadistic goons is absurd. It is turtles all the way down.

OFFICER: “STEP OUT OF THE CAR! NOW!!!!”

CITIZEN: “Am I being detained?“

OFFICER: “YES!”

CITIZEN: “For what?“

OFFICER: “FOR RESISTING ARREST!”

CITIZEN: “I’m not resisting arrest!”

OFFICER: “YOU ARE NOW!” …proceeds to pummel the citizen senseless with a baton.


Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 9:06 pm to
Traffic law has been the "in" the police have used for decades to skirt the constitution.

And stupidly, most Americans think it's OK. Hell, we cheer for it.
Posted by Tall Tiger
Golden Rectangle
Member since Sep 2007
3836 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 9:19 pm to
I wish I had more downvotes to give the OP.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:50 pm to
Can I just add that they didn't even have a fricking reason to pull the guy over.

They pulled him over based upon a "witness" telling them he had been driving recklessly but there is apparently no indication that the cops themselves saw any reckcless driving. Just another fricked up variation of the "We got a call" phenomenon.

Cops literally have no fricking idea what actually constitutes reasonable suspicion or probably cause. But, again. why should they? When they get it wrong, there's no actual penalty for it.
Posted by invidiousEndures
Member since Nov 2022
241 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:28 pm to
What many of us have forgotten, and indeed what some of us are taught to willfully disregard, is that in any interaction between citizen and police all participants have a responsibility. Responsibility is not limited to the individual on the time clock. It is perfectly rational to determine that a party has not met their responsibility even in the context of another party grossly disregarding theirs. While I think it's a rational to emphasize the latter, we must not allow that emphasis to obviate recognition of the former.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 11:29 pm
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