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re: If Trump enacts the same tariffs via proper statutes, that won't violate this USSC ruling
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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f Trump enacts the same tariffs via proper statutes
False premise. He already did.
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:31 pm to Lsut81
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The problem is what happens with the refunds in the meantime and the likes.
There will be none.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:34 pm to imjustafatkid
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There will be none.
How can we (legally) keep illegally-obtained funds?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How can we (legally) keep illegally-obtained funds?
Who's going to enforce this, in your ridiculous hypothetical?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:43 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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Tell the government that. Ever met anyone who had their stuff taken from asset forfeiture wrongly? Takes years if not decades to get it back.
I know. It’s super fricked up we allow the government civil asset forfeiture. But MAGA loves them some full throated Government trespasses.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:43 pm to imjustafatkid
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Who's going to enforce this
You're ignoring the "legally" in my question.
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in your ridiculous hypothetical
I described reality.
The tariffs were ruled illegal, correctly.
This means the government illegally seized money.
Keeping it would also be illegal.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:44 pm to imjustafatkid
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Who's going to enforce this, in your ridiculous hypothetical?
So you think they should be able to keep illegally obtained funds?
Yikes. Would love to see the reaction you have if the president didn't have an (R).
You thinking the executive branch should ignore rulings will be hilarious to watch when the other side is in charge.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The Int'l Court Ruling will be interesting.
How can we (legally) keep illegally-obtained funds?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:48 pm to Lsut81
Why didn't the buffoon and his cabinet of idiots do it right the first time?
Constantly tripping on their own dicks in overstepping the law and the constitution, while the working people of this country always pay the price.
When will y'all realize that this guy is a fricking moron who is way out of his element? He was born with money and has done nothing to help Main Street America.
Divide and destroy has been his only aim, while enriching himself and disgracing our country and what it stands for.
Constantly tripping on their own dicks in overstepping the law and the constitution, while the working people of this country always pay the price.
When will y'all realize that this guy is a fricking moron who is way out of his element? He was born with money and has done nothing to help Main Street America.
Divide and destroy has been his only aim, while enriching himself and disgracing our country and what it stands for.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 2:57 pm to Warboo
SCOTUS opinion merely upheld the ruling from the Federal Circuit. The Federal Circuit confirmed the court of International Trade decision that the tariffs were illegal, but removed the injunction against the tariffs and remanded the case back to the CIT to reconsider the appropriate remedy.
So, im not sure how long it will take, but this lands back in the CIT to decide what to do now that the tariffs were illegal.
It seems certain the actual plaintiffs will get yheir money back.
Hopefully, the DOJ will show up with a reasonable plan for how to treat other importers, such as means to apply for refunds or future credits. Maybe they will just declare that refunds would be un-American and fight that all the way back to SCOTUS.
So, im not sure how long it will take, but this lands back in the CIT to decide what to do now that the tariffs were illegal.
It seems certain the actual plaintiffs will get yheir money back.
Hopefully, the DOJ will show up with a reasonable plan for how to treat other importers, such as means to apply for refunds or future credits. Maybe they will just declare that refunds would be un-American and fight that all the way back to SCOTUS.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How can we (legally) keep illegally-obtained funds?
We say “sorry” then keep them
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
OK counselor then how will the entities allegedly affected prove that they did not pass down the costs associated with the tariffs to their customers? Should THEY have recourse?
Why should those entities benefit from a refund and the bounty from passing on said costs? Were they ever harmed to begin with? To everyone screaming that tariffs cause inflation and drive up prices theres only one way this happens. The tariffs are passed on and the ones wanting refunds were never harmed.
It isn't as simple as you want it to be. As far as impeachment and removal for THIS? Try it and see what a shite storm happens.
Why should those entities benefit from a refund and the bounty from passing on said costs? Were they ever harmed to begin with? To everyone screaming that tariffs cause inflation and drive up prices theres only one way this happens. The tariffs are passed on and the ones wanting refunds were never harmed.
It isn't as simple as you want it to be. As far as impeachment and removal for THIS? Try it and see what a shite storm happens.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:21 pm to Gifman
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We say “sorry” then keep them
You also missed this
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(legally)
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:22 pm to antibarner
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OK counselor then how will the entities allegedly affected prove that they did not pass down the costs associated with the tariffs to their customers? Should THEY have recourse?
Why should those entities benefit from a refund and the bounty from passing on said costs? Were they ever harmed to begin with? To everyone screaming that tariffs cause inflation and drive up prices theres only one way this happens. The tariffs are passed on and the ones wanting refunds were never harmed.
It isn't as simple as you want it to be
I never said this would be simple.
That's why I said the admin should admit their mistake months ago before all of this complexity occurred.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:36 pm to ned nederlander
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I know. It’s super fricked up we allow the government civil asset forfeiture. But MAGA loves them some full throated Government trespasses.
And what did you do during Covid? Don’t lie.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
cum se com saa is what my ancestors would have said to your billable hour tyrades
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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If it comes to that, they should have to demonstrate commensurate business loses. If they simply passed costs on, they shouldn't be entitled to 1¢
This decision is going to have MAGA parroting that all costs were passed through and consumers paid the tariffs, after months of parroting that other countries and importing businesses bore the brunt
Stunning time to be alive.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 3:58 pm to Lsut81
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That's going to be a mess.
Saw some group of 800 small businesses already sent letters to congress and the WH demanding refunds for what they paid in tariffs.
Whats going to get interesting is the consumers. You know those businesses didn't eat the tariffs, so if a consumer comes and demands refunds from the businesses, what happens?
Exactly.
The response will be: Provide documentation of all invoices/pricing for the last 3 years to prove that you did not pass along the costs to consumers/customers.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 4:00 pm to Indefatigable
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This decision is going to have MAGA parroting that all costs were passed through and consumers paid the tariffs, after months of parroting that other countries and importing businesses bore the brunt
Stunning time to be alive.
We are about to see the "deny it's happening.....admit it's happening but it's a good thing" progression meme unfold.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 4:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trump just needs to pick the right one this time.
Looks like he did. POTUS Trump and America are in much better shape now after this decision. Simple Art of the Deal maneuver played out perfectly.
I can not wait until he starts requiring licenses, permit, license fees and permit fees for those who want to do business with America.
A big door called "Increased Foreign Revenue" just opened real wide.
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