re: If trump and musk cut social security

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why do people keep talking about this?

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Because people keep responding to these nut cases.

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you tumpies, sure are proud of your leader . First you starve children, yeah, you starve children. Crying for sleep, so they can wake up crying, for food.
You mother fricken preachers, that lead your mother fricken flock to tumpy. Are an abomination to Christ. Sick antichrist bitches. Pray to Satan, before every meal of fish on Friday and your fricken fried chicken on Sunday... Because that is you ...... Freaks!!!!!

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Yikes

Once again proving that the left makes decisions based on emotion while the right makes decisions based on facts and logic.

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The math doesn't work without it

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Stick to being a shitty bus stop bench lawyer and let the adults handle the rest of the world.

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Does that including cutting the Fraud in Social Security as well because I can promise you there are billions of dollars being stolen from SS today?

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There is already a report on waste/fraud in SS (and all government).

Here is another one, long before DOGE repeated the same numbers

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2018-2022 Data Show Federal Government Loses an Estimated $233 Billion to $521 Billion Annually to Fraud, Based on Various Risk Environments

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So if we cut non-discretionary spending to $0 we save 0.9T
If we account for all of this fraud (which double dips a great deal) we save $0.5T max
That means we only have to slash the military budget by 37.5% to break even.



The above also assumes stagnant interest payments, which, like the 0.5T in fraud, is way optimistic. We're likely back around 50% of defense spending once we get the final 2024 numbers

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The only thing I recall Trump saying about social security is he wants to remove taxes on it.

Where are you hearing they want to cut it?

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Looking into fraud and waste which could reduce the annual expenditures paid by SSA. Media spins it to say he wants to reduce the annual expenditures means he wants to lower your SS check

Trump wants to cut taxes on SS. Media clips it to say he wants to cut SS

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Republicans will lose the next generation of elections. They'll be lucky to hold onto the reddest of red states.

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This is such a stupid take. What they are doing is removing all the theft, waste and payments to illegals from it. If they are successful, they will make SS solvent again.

SS and Medicare are the third rail of American politics and why the Rinos and Dems don't get behind DOGE in this is incredible.

It is truly a gift Trump is giving them, but because OMB they don't see it for what it is.

If monkeys fly out of my arse it will hurt.

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The math doesn't work without it

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Of course the math works. Let's say 10% of SS is fraudulent and can be rooted out (a conservative estimate). We saved 10% of the SS spending. There's your math.

That 10% can be used for infrastructure or other worthy causes, used to pay down the debt, or give it back to the tax-payers, or some combo.

Just because it doesn't erase the federal debt doesn't mean the math doesn't work. That's real money that can be repurposed.

If you go buy a serving of soy-latte, and instead of $4.50, it rings up $45.00, do you just shrug and say "Well, that's a small % of my annual spend, so no big deal, I'll come back next week for another $45.00 soy-latte.".

Get real.

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If you go buy a serving of soy-latte, and instead of $4.50, it rings up $45.00, do you just shrug and say "Well, that's a small % of my annual spend, so no big deal, I'll come back next week for another $45.00 soy-latte.".

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Perfect analogy, baw.

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So you think spending trillions in forever wars around the globe is just some side column that doesn't matter?

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No. I said it matters. It's accounted for in our debt, though.

Talking about the debt is a different conversation than talking about our deficit.

And as I said

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We can't tackle the debt until we get on the other side of the annual deficit

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It all matters. You can't just discount that as coming from some other pocket of spending.

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That's not the distinction. The distinction is temporal. That money was already borrowed/spent in the past. It has no relationship to deficits in the future.

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Also, social security has a direct tied income stream that offsets it. It's not enough to fully offset it, but looking at that number as a straight expense, like the Dept of Education, is incorrect.

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We would have to take the revenue for SS/Medicare and apply it to the general revenue sourcing, yes.

It also wouldn't be a 1:1 reduction, as every dollar we take out will negatively affect the economy and reduce tax receipts in kind, but we have to get everyone on the same page about the basic arithmetic of our budget-deficit situation first before we talk about those secondary and tertiary issues.