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re: If the optimism of yesterday is legit, did the media screw themselve with the doomcasting?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:49 am to TigerDoc
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:49 am to TigerDoc
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The world is getting and staying more globalized. There is no going back.
i'm not arguing with you, but i didn't vote for Trump, either
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If we don't create means of reducing pandemic risks, we will blow up each others economies and increasingly go to war with each other.
this means areas where they're more likely to originate need to cede power. good luck.
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but it doesn't mean we shouldn't be creating international institutions to do it.
the mythology of international politics, international law, and "international institutions" is that we will rise above national borders due to some law that exists above the individual state. the only power that rises above the individual state is, power.
it is clear that any international institution that China is a part of is at risk of being...affected by China's...selective information gathering-dissemination. and if China is the source of these pandemics, we will always be relying on their benevolence
i mean shite the EU is breaking up right now over COVID-19 and you're trying to say we have to rely even more upon international agreements
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But to the messaging. Trump is rhetorically big and bad by calling this a "china virus", but what is he really arguing we should do about it?
i think the answer to that question will come after the dust settles. i can't imagine the immediate reversal of India yesterday came out of the goodness of their heart (especially since it only applied to the US at the time)
Mexico, if they survive COVID after doing nothing, is a prime location to relocate manufacturing. strengthening our regional allies helps raise all of them.
remember this: you're trying to paint China as a villain. who has been using that messaging since 2015? Trump
making China the villain strengthens Trump
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:50 am to TigerDoc
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I DGAF if the WHO is dissolved, but true leadership will be developing the capacity to say with confidence what microbes are being born there because as sure as shite they can/will make their way here.
Do you trust Donald fricking Trump to lead like that?
who was the first Western leader to ban travel from China?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:51 am to TigerDoc
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making it harder for people to vote (see yesterday's Supreme court decision, etc.)
Oh FFS
"These pesky judges are making it harder for my team to harvest ballots and cheat. Waaaaaaah"
When the economy fires up again, you can get back to importing your third world voters.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:54 am to EZE Tiger Fan
i've read about that Wisconsin thing but my main takeaway is why are we pretending like voting (or the media, for that matter) is a right above others? we've had a lot of rights trampled on the past 6 weeks and most were supported by the very same groups melting over Wisconsin
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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Clay Travis
@ClayTravis
My point here is this: Twitter blue check mark I hate Trump brigade is going to have to pick a side. Either: a. the models predicting millions of deaths you all shared as fear porn to terrify everyone were wildly inaccurate or b. Trump saved millions of lives by his actions.
LINK
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who was the first Western leader to ban travel from China?
This is also where you can put that picture of Drumph putting together the task force in late Jan/early Feb where he was called a racist (again) by the likes of TigerDoc and his ilk.
In that picture of "racists" is current prog hero, Dr. Fauci.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Those are very fair points, but as I see it, the alternatives are worse. Globalization 1.0 of the late 19th century created a massive conflagration because it created a backlash of destructive nationalism that destroyed Europe and when Europe failed to establish effective international organizations (League of Nations failing, etc.) the world was set up to do it all again on an even larger scale. The stakes are even higher today with nukes. The problem is that these things usually only get addressed effectively (and of course only partially and for a time) after a calamity. People have their differences over to what extent institutions really matter, but I think that they matter a lot. Had we stuck with what George HW Bush was doing in the early 90's with massive multi-lateralism we'd be in a much better place internationally today.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i've read about that Wisconsin thing but my main takeaway is why are we pretending like voting (or the media, for that matter) is a right above others? we've had a lot of rights trampled on the past 6 weeks and most were supported by the very same groups melting over Wisconsin
This is the part where people should have woken up to Trump not being a true, die-hard conservative.
But that's another thread for another time, one of which I would get more and more pissed off the more I participate.
The last six weeks has made me beyond frustrated for this very reason (rights trampled for safety....AGAIN)
But I'm still voting for that orange SOB in November.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
They all laid ground work early.
“If the virus IS contained then it means that our over-reactions worked!”
“If the virus IS contained then it means that our over-reactions worked!”
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:07 pm to the808bass
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2). The WHO wasn’t even being allowed full access to the situation and the data. They still aren’t. We could’ve had 3M people working in the CDC office in Beijing and nothing would have ostensibly changed
Travel ban Trumps the he doesn't know what he is doing arg
Our made in China medical industry, is being bashed by Liberals, Conservatives, and Independants.
Trump has home field AdvanTage.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:12 pm to TigerDoc
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The stakes are even higher today with nukes.
i'm of the belief that nukes are bigger reasons for international relations being what they are than any international organization/association
capitalism and nukes. opened up the world and stopped major international conflicts
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People have their differences over to what extent institutions really matter, but I think that they matter a lot.
even when i was a big leftist, i would tell my classmates that international law wasn't real. the early 00s equivalent of purple haired pansexuals would lose their shite. when the UN did nothing to the US and others for invading Iraq, i did a dance on their ideological graves
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how do they walk this back and turn it into a talking point against him?
They won’t. They’ll drop the issue and go back to muh tax returns or some shite
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:28 pm to SDVTiger
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No one is gonna trust anything they say after this
It will provide a TON of material when Trump attacks the media on the campaign trail.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:57 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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This is the part where people should have woken up to Trump not being a true, die-hard conservative.
I don’t know anybody who ever believed that. I don’t think he’s ever even claimed that.
But, the federal government isn’t trampling on your rights. He very wisely just issued suggestions and let state and local governments make those decisions.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:03 pm to TigerDoc
"making it harder for people to vote (see yesterday's Supreme court decision, etc.)"
Aw, geez. This is left's version of "voter fraud." What a crock. Whether you agree with the recent decision or not, it's very limited in scope and not nearly what The Atlantic and others are making it out to be.
Aw, geez. This is left's version of "voter fraud." What a crock. Whether you agree with the recent decision or not, it's very limited in scope and not nearly what The Atlantic and others are making it out to be.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:09 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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Aw, geez. This is left's version of "voter fraud."
just fwiw, far left groups i follow were the first ones i saw melting about the Wisconsin situation
go search #DNCdeathmarch on twitter
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they're in the same boat with the medical cocktail they've decided to build a media wall around criticizing Trump over promoting
They’ve already moved onto redefining what the president said in dishonest ways to keep up the facade of being right on the issue.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:why the big surprise that the media is over hyped or have been severely doom-casting the outcome?
for 4-6 weeks straight, the media has been severely doomcasting the outcome for COVID-19 so that they could pin 200,000 bodies on Trump, essentially. they have to criticize for their partisan pandering and they have to hope for the worst in a crisis, so they've created some very terrible expectations for society.
so, now that it appears the early models that doomcasting was based off of MAY have been too pessimistic, it creates a situation where Trump may far exceed their projections.
how do they walk this back and turn it into a talking point against him? they have been relentless on saying every comment/tweet effectively has killed thousands of people, so if we turn out way better than they told the public we would, Trump wins. they can't really say Trump didn't do x, y, or z because literally anything he's done has been criticized.
what are they going to go with? that he got lucky?
this is what they are all about.
24/7 news for ratings and making politics the standard for news reporting.
they can no longer be objective. they do not have investigative journalists.
they feed the reporters the text and all media broadcast the same narrative.
turn it off. change your routine.
brainwashing is a disease.
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