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re: If someone tells you they’re a Libertarian
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:19 pm to Breesus
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:19 pm to Breesus
quote:Odd conclusion. I'm libertarian. I'd like as little government interference in my life as possible. That's ignorant?
I assume they're ignorant. Because most people who claim that out loud in public as a badge of honor are ignorant.
I'd like to see our Defense budget cut. I'd like us to cease serving as the world's police force. I'd like blue laws to go away. I hate asset forfeiture abuse, prosecutorial abuse, and perp walks. That's ignorant?
Illegality of marijuana is stupid. The concept that a 20y/o soldier can be drafted to serve the country in combat, yet not be able to legally drink a beer to celebrate safe return home is asinine. The GOP generally supports all that crap.
I'd dare guess a majority of posters here would far more closely align with libertarian ideals than they would those of Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, Jeff Flake, etc. May be I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:20 pm to Jeb Busch Lite
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How do you interpret that in today’s political climate?
I'm a registered republican and I have always voted 100% republican.
But if you line me up by policy, I am libertarian.
If you and i have a discussion on views, I am libertarian
If there is some sort of political survey to see where i line up, i am a libertarian.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:20 pm to Spelt it rong
quote:Boom
That I want to be left alone. Go have a military and have it be awesome AF. I'm in the minority of libertarians on this one. Stop taxing me or my business like crazy. Tax my property if it's on sovereign land and protect it. I'll gladly pay for that. Stop giving out my money to those who do not earn it Stop telling me I can't grow, buy, or smoke weed whenever I want (Couldn't anyway because of my job, but it's the principle) Let me own whatever type of gun I want and don't put me on any list for it Go be gay. Who the frick cares Don't murder people. Don't take what isn't yours.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:20 pm to Jeb Busch Lite
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How do you interpret that in today’s political climate?
That they have similar beliefs as either liberals or conservatives, they just dont believe in the governments ability to force their views on other people. That they hate the extreme authoritarian left and right. That they want a smaller overall government footprint.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:20 pm to Aubie Spr96
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It's nice meeting someone other than myself that realizes that the only difference in Republicans and Democrats is the name.
I will say that Trump is definitely a breed all to himself, though. He doesn’t fit conveniently into any political party or consistent philosophy.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:22 pm to NC_Tigah
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Odd conclusion.
It's based on my real life experiences.
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I'm libertarian. I'd like as little government interference in my life as possible. That's ignorant?
I'm also libertarian and I agree. I didn't say it's ignorant to actually be an educated libertarian. The vast majority of people I meet who claim to be libertarian end up proving themsleves ignorant and hypocritical after a short conversation.
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I'd like to see our Defense budget cut. I'd like us to cease serving as the world's police force. I'd like blue laws to go away. I hate asset forfeiture abuse, prosecutorial abuse, and perp walks. That's ignorant?
Illegality of marijuana is stupid. The concept that a 20y/o soldier can be drafted to serve the country in combat, yet not be able to legally drink a beer to celebrate safe return home is asinine. The GOP generally supports all that crap.
I agree with all these things too. Especially marijuana.
The idea that you can go to a bar and drink a bottle of bourbon and then go to a park and drink another bottle of bourbon bur I can't sit alone in my house and smoke a bowl is insane.
Don't ban me bro
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:22 pm to Jeb Busch Lite
That the individual is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I honestly believe most people feel this way.
But when it comes to voting they have to decide whether the value social or fiscal issues more. If it is social issues, they vote D. If it's fiscal, they vote R.
But when it comes to voting they have to decide whether the value social or fiscal issues more. If it is social issues, they vote D. If it's fiscal, they vote R.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:26 pm to kingbob
To de-legitimize a political movement which when push come to shove, a growing percentage of the population identifies with, and keep forcing people on sides of issues they really don't care about.
Gay marriage: you must choose a side,The legalization of pot: you must choose a side, Abortion: you must choose a side. In general, Americans mostly don't care what their neighbors are doing as long as it doesn't effect them, but if we have two political parties who choose a stance on each issue, it becomes a tug of war and is able to keep us under their control as much as possible
Gay marriage: you must choose a side,The legalization of pot: you must choose a side, Abortion: you must choose a side. In general, Americans mostly don't care what their neighbors are doing as long as it doesn't effect them, but if we have two political parties who choose a stance on each issue, it becomes a tug of war and is able to keep us under their control as much as possible
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:27 pm to Jeb Busch Lite
quote:They probably consume, and have access to lots of drugs. And I'd like to party with them for maybe those reasons, but also the political conversations. If a true libertarian has their shite dialed in on the Constitution they can argue things like the US having a standing army is unconstitutional and the 17th Amendment is "bullshite!". All the while consuming cocaine, or it could even simply be alcohol. Its the most awesome pro-freedom experience you can have.
How do you interpret that in today’s political climate?
I love Libertarians! I believe many of those things too but they're just not political reality. We're on a (hopefully) slow road to Rome in the US.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:27 pm to Jeb Busch Lite
Maybe someone who is not a dopey libtard or a sycophantic Trump cultist?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:27 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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That the individual is socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
That's an oversimplification. If you ask a person who self professes to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative this question:
'Do you think govt should provide basic care for the poor and indigent?'
They will say 'yes.'
That's not fiscally conservative and it is not libertarian.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:29 pm to Zach
This, and if you ask the same question to a boomer libertarian, they’ll say “keep your thieving hands off my medicare ans social security!”
Every dollar has a constituency.
Every dollar has a constituency.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:32 pm to kingbob
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This, and if you ask the same question to a boomer libertarian, they’ll say “keep your thieving hands off my medicare ans social security!”
Exactly. And that's why they are not small 'l.' In fact, most boomers aren't large 'L.' The party is mostly 30-40 year olds. The philosophy is very old. Goes back to the Founding Fathers. The basic principal: You're on our own. The govt is only here to make sure people don't stop you from being on your own.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:33 pm to Jeb Busch Lite
I believe people who claim to be libertarian today, would identify as conservative in the 60s and 70s. Meaning of words change over time. Conservative then meant being economic conservative. Today it is more associated with social issues. I believe this change of meaning started with Bush 1 selling out to the Religious Right.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:37 pm to BABAR
The libertarians of today would have supported Barry Goldwater over Richard Nixon. Nixon is the genesis of the Republican police state, using the war on drugs as a way to lock up anti-war and civil rights protesters. Goldwater losing to LBJ is one of the most damaging election results to ever happen to the soul of this country.
Of course, Barry gets a black mark from history for being against the Civil Rights Act because it’s easier to tarnish him by insinuating racism rather than debate the merit of his arguments that the Act would ultimately abridge freedom and do more harm than good.
Of course, Barry gets a black mark from history for being against the Civil Rights Act because it’s easier to tarnish him by insinuating racism rather than debate the merit of his arguments that the Act would ultimately abridge freedom and do more harm than good.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:37 pm to BABAR
I think libertarianism (what I know of libertarianism anyway) is the future of Republicanism. People need to learn that you can be religious and still support free will at the same time. It’s getting there.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:38 pm to Parmen
so libertarian's should not vote for their canidate because it might let a liberal win, what if this libertarian believes that the only real issue that the D's and R's differ on is the 2nd ammendment and we know that guns are not going to get taken away? when will republicans relize that their party is not conservative and is swampy as hell. why don't they come over to the libertarain party and make a true 3rd party for the people?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:41 pm to hawkeye007
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when will republicans relize that their party is not conservative and is swampy as hell
When the Boomers die off?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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Odd conclusion. I'm libertarian. I'd like as little government interference in my life as possible. That's ignorant?
I'd like to see our Defense budget cut. I'd like us to cease serving as the world's police force. I'd like blue laws to go away. I hate asset forfeiture abuse, prosecutorial abuse, and perp walks. That's ignorant?
Illegality of marijuana is stupid. The concept that a 20y/o soldier can be drafted to serve the country in combat, yet not be able to legally drink a beer to celebrate safe return home is asinine. The GOP generally supports all that crap.
I'd dare guess a majority of posters here would far more closely align with libertarian ideals than they would those of Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, Jeff Flake, etc. May be I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
I'm with you friend, right down the line. Those are all very tactical components of a much larger issue.
Things such as dollars, quarters, etc. are weights based on coined money denominated in gold. Instead we have the Fed with no equal backing and issuance power, backed by govenrnment force. Should the Fed exist? No, not if you're a libertarian.
There are unconstitional laws and goverment divisions and programs that abound. They are ignored. The 1st and 2nd are attacked and ridiculed, and soon they will be muted to the point of a fork in the road. The US will have either another 100, 200, 500 years of French-style "liberty", or the citizenry will hoist the black flag and start slitting throats and get back to business.
I'm a libertarian it seems, but only come out on special occaisions.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:42 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
According to the test for that chart, I'm:
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49
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