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re: If people start having serious long term side effects from the vaccine
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:48 am to The Levee
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:48 am to The Levee
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But everyone I know who’s been vaccinated had exactly zero adverse reactions. That’s like, a lot of people.
Everyone I know that got COVID made a 100% recovery. That's like, a lot of people.
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:53 am to bamadontcare
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myocarditis which
has a 66% fatality rate in 5 years
This doesn’t sound correct.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:57 am to Jax-Tiger
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Let's say that 2, 3, or 4 years down the road, vaccinated people start having a sharp increase in cancer, neurological disorders, auto-immune disorders, strokes/heart attacks, and other fatal or crippling health issues, will our government admit they made a mistake? Is there any chance this will happen?
Why are people comfortable placing "time" on something they know little to nothing about? For example: My brother (anti-vaccine) told me I will likely be dead in 4-5 years from getting Moderna vaccine. That was fricked up...
I'm not a Dr. by any means, or even medically knowledgeable, but don't vaccines in generally typically see negative effects happen in a short time frame following the injection.
I just don't get the Mrs. Cleo type prognostications gaslighting people that have been vaxxed.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:00 am to Jax-Tiger
**Understand that I'm trying to have a legitimate discussion on this....so please don't take any of this as me attacking you.
You're comparing long term use drugs to a single(or double) dose vaccine. Is it even fair to compare these two? You're 100% spot on about me knowing about as much as you do on this subject but I feel like comparing these two things isn't helpful. As best I understand it(and hopefully a doctor or clinician will come in and correct if I'm off) the vaccine remains in your body for a couple of weeks and then is gone. Long term drugs stay in your system as long as you continue to take them. Yes?
You're stating this as fact. How do you know this?
Was it? What steps were skipped other than red tape? Did they not test the vaccine in stages?
I hear you...but this isn't a unique problem to the United States. Do you believe there is a global conspiracy to try to lie to the world's population? Seems a little far fetched in a world where we don't seem to politically agree on much around the globe. Why would they want to do this to all the people of the world?
Or, (at least in my mind) more likely, this is best tool they have in fighting this scourge and it's shown very good results thus far. I don't give a shite what Trump said or what Biden says. Listen to what the VAST majority of doctors are saying on this subject.
That's the problem, it's not 99.5% survivable for everyone. You're making it out like everyone is on a level playing field to start with. My sister with a compromised immune system because of MS doesn't stand a 99.5% chance of beating Covid like I do. Actually, in my case, I beat Covid when I got it....but she might not have the same outcome. What about your aunt that has cancer and is on chemo. Do you think she has a 99.5% chance of beating Covid?
I don't understand this logic. Would it make you feel better to hear someone in power say that we made mistakes along the way? What does that change? We all know mistakes were made. Did we need to lock down hard when all of this broke out? No, of coarse not....but we didn't know that then. All we knew was that it was killing tons people and no one had the answers on how to beat it. We've learned since then and we continue to learn more every day.
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As I mentioned above, my wife spent over 25 years doing clinical trials for new drugs and long term effects for approved drugs. She has participated in studies that show that drugs that were the "gold standard" for treatment were killing more people than they were saving. CAST is one example of a study she participated in. The drugs did indeed, reduce the chance of heart attacks for patients, but it increased the likelihood of having a fatal stroke by even more. The drug was pulled amid a lot of controversy. What right did they have to interfere in the profits of pharmaceutical companies?
You're comparing long term use drugs to a single(or double) dose vaccine. Is it even fair to compare these two? You're 100% spot on about me knowing about as much as you do on this subject but I feel like comparing these two things isn't helpful. As best I understand it(and hopefully a doctor or clinician will come in and correct if I'm off) the vaccine remains in your body for a couple of weeks and then is gone. Long term drugs stay in your system as long as you continue to take them. Yes?
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1) Vaccine injuries are not being reported accurately, and that should concern all of us.
You're stating this as fact. How do you know this?
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2) The vaccine was rushed to market and nobody knows the long term effects
Was it? What steps were skipped other than red tape? Did they not test the vaccine in stages?
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3) Our government has a long history of lying to us about health issues (tobacco, vaccines, syphilis/LSD trials, etc), and the lies and obfuscation have continued with this virus and vaccine. How do we know they are telling the complete truth?
I hear you...but this isn't a unique problem to the United States. Do you believe there is a global conspiracy to try to lie to the world's population? Seems a little far fetched in a world where we don't seem to politically agree on much around the globe. Why would they want to do this to all the people of the world?
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4) Every single thing we are told is part of a narrative to influence us to get the vaccine. Anything that would counter that effort is being suppressed. Why? More people would get the vaccine if they could trust what our government representatives say.
Or, (at least in my mind) more likely, this is best tool they have in fighting this scourge and it's shown very good results thus far. I don't give a shite what Trump said or what Biden says. Listen to what the VAST majority of doctors are saying on this subject.
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5) Finally, this virus is 99.5% survivable.
That's the problem, it's not 99.5% survivable for everyone. You're making it out like everyone is on a level playing field to start with. My sister with a compromised immune system because of MS doesn't stand a 99.5% chance of beating Covid like I do. Actually, in my case, I beat Covid when I got it....but she might not have the same outcome. What about your aunt that has cancer and is on chemo. Do you think she has a 99.5% chance of beating Covid?
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The biggest lie of all is that we needed to hamstring our economy for a year and a half to get through this. Maybe we made the wrong decision, and folks should have come out to say, "Hey, we should have handled it differently." But nobody is doing that. Everyone is doubling down on stupid decisions. Why? Money and Power. See who benefited.
I don't understand this logic. Would it make you feel better to hear someone in power say that we made mistakes along the way? What does that change? We all know mistakes were made. Did we need to lock down hard when all of this broke out? No, of coarse not....but we didn't know that then. All we knew was that it was killing tons people and no one had the answers on how to beat it. We've learned since then and we continue to learn more every day.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:04 am to Earnest_P
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This doesn’t sound correct.
Because it's not
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:24 am to Jax-Tiger
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I think we all know what will happen. The ability to deny is much greater if there is no control group.
This is why the unvaxxed must hold firm. It is for the vaxxed's own good whether they realize it now or not.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:34 am to Toroballistic
Every doctor and nurse I talk to recommends taking the vaccine, for that reason I took the jab.
Some people dont feel comfortable taking it, which I understand. If you don't want to take it, that's your decision.
What's really fricked up, is all the people who want the government to force the vaccine. I got in a heated conversation with a group of friends last weekend and no one understood why I was vacccinated, but against forced vaccines.
It just scares me that I couldn't get anyone to understand that it's wrong for the government to force anyone to inject something into their bodies, even if we think it's for their own good.
Some people dont feel comfortable taking it, which I understand. If you don't want to take it, that's your decision.
What's really fricked up, is all the people who want the government to force the vaccine. I got in a heated conversation with a group of friends last weekend and no one understood why I was vacccinated, but against forced vaccines.
It just scares me that I couldn't get anyone to understand that it's wrong for the government to force anyone to inject something into their bodies, even if we think it's for their own good.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:42 am to kennypowers
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:45 am to Earnest_P
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I think you’re being optimistic thinking we just hamstrung the economy for awhile.
I was obviously trying not to overstate what happened. Truth is, some states and cities did torpedo their economies and some tried not to. We came out of it better than I would have predicted, as our economy didn't implode. However, it seems like our current President is trying to finish it off. All he had to do was let people get back to work and stand back. He won't do that.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:48 am to WinnPtiger
Actually their heads need to be mounted on pikes and paraded down the streets to allow masses to spit or piss on them.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:49 am to Numberwang
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Show me one instance of Democrats admitting they were wrong
Supporting Iraq War
Nissei Internment
Posted on 9/28/21 at 10:57 am to Jax-Tiger
I have gotten the flu shots for years now but distrust big pharma and gov't enough that they might slip this stuff into that.
Not getting that this year and maybe never again.
Not getting that this year and maybe never again.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:02 am to Jax-Tiger
One day unvaxxed blood donations will be highly sought after and those with very rare blood type that are unvaxxed will be treated like saints.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:09 am to Jax-Tiger
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Let's say that 2, 3, or 4 years down the road, vaccinated people start having a sharp increase in cancer, neurological disorders, auto-immune disorders, strokes/heart attacks, and other fatal or crippling health issues, will our government admit they made a mistake?
How will you deduce the etiology with such a wide range of pathological consequences? It's far more likely that people will blame the vaccine for any pathology despite the actual etiology.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:09 am to Chief One Word
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One day unvaxxed blood donations will be highly sought after and those with very rare blood type that are unvaxxed will be treated like saints.
Where do you freaks come up with this shite?
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:15 am to kennypowers
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You're comparing long term use drugs to a single(or double) dose vaccine. Is it even fair to compare these two?
Are the Covid vaccines single use? We will never have boosters? Every jab is an opportunity for a vaccine injury. Is there a cumulative effect? We won't know for years. That doesn't even take into effect the possibility for auto-immune diseases. The deadliest auto-immune diseases kill you very slowly and/or curtail your quality of life. That will never make it on a VAERS report. Someone who dies at sixty after their bones and intestines basically dissolve over many years is not going to be associated with a vaccine from 40 years before.
Have you ever met someone with advanced rheumatoid arthritis? That is a lifetime of debilitation and pain. Arthritis, Lupus, Myocarditis, etc, can all kill you slowly and painfully. These vaccines cause your body to create spike proteins and your body's reaction is to create antibodies that will also attack the Covid-19 virus. By definition, auto-immune diseases are when your immune system attacks healthy cells instead of the intruder cells, like it should. Antibodies are the warriors of your immune system. Those antibodies are in your body for a long time. What happens if Covid-19 is not the only think they attack? What if those artificially programmed antibodies mutate? Then you may have an autoimmune disease that slowly kills you. Killed by your own immune system.
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I don't understand this logic. Would it make you feel better to hear someone in power say that we made mistakes along the way?
To answer the last and next-to-last questions, we knew early on that this virus was much more deadly for certain people and more like influenza for the vast majority of people. Knowing that, should we have shut everything down, like we did? We should not have put millions of people out of work, IMO. We should have put all of the resources towards protecting those who were most vulnerable.
Interestingly, the elderly didn't need financial help, for the most part, as most are retired, but they could have used help getting groceries delivered, and other protocols put in place where we could have helped prevent exposure. Instead, we went with general guidelines of masks and 6 feet distances for everyone, and made the old folks go get their own groceries with everyone else and put the 20 year old waiter out of work and collecting government checks instead. We let senior citizens die and prevented our populace from reaching herd immunity by not allowing that 20 year old waiter who had a 99.99% chance of recovering from getting natural immunity.
Still to this day, nobody in official capacity has acknowledged that we should have done it differently, and we're not having that discussion. Indeed, I get the feeling that we would do the EXACT SAME THING again, if we have another pandemic.
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:16 am to kennypowers
Don’t be coming in here with facts. Just fear.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:18 am to kennypowers
I’m beginning to thing the anti-vax crowd is scared of needles.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 11:51 am to kennypowers
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Legit question - why do you think 2, 3, or 4 years down the road people are going to start having any of these issues? What, specifically, is leading you to believe this could happen? Do you have a study of some other vaccine that this has happened with? Remember, you're talking about long term side effects....
CNN article from Sept 1, 2020
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Vaccine experts are warning the federal government against rushing out a coronavirus vaccine before testing has shown it's both safe and effective. Decades of history show why they're right.
The Cutter incident: Batches made by one company, Cutter Labs, accidentally contained live polio virus and it caused an outbreak. "Forty thousand kids got polio. Some had low levels, a couple hundred were left with paralysis, and about 10 died" ...
However, increased oversight failed to discover another problem with the polio vaccine.
From 1955 to 1963, between 10% and 30% of polio vaccines were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40).
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One, the vaccine may not be safe. Two, if it is not safe, people will lose faith in vaccines. Three, if a vaccine doesn't offer complete protection, people will have a false sense of security and increase their risk. Four, if a substandard vaccine gets an EUA, a better vaccine may never get approval, because people would be reluctant to enroll in trials and risk getting a placebo instead of a vaccine.
This was one year ago - doctors questioning the prudence of a rushed EUA vaccine and CNN publishing an article titled "Past vaccine disasters show why rushing a coronavirus vaccine now would be 'colossally stupid'"
One year later, there are mandates to get the vaccine and anyone questioning that is called a conspiracy theorist nutjob and ordered to "trust the science!"
Four Times in History Vaccines Failed
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In 2017, the Philippines stopped a school-based dengue fever vaccination program after reports of complications and several deaths linked to the product called Dengvaxia. The French manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur, later stated that the vaccine posed a risk to those without prior infection from one of the disease’s four stereotypes. The result was that it actually increased the risk that a child would contract a more severe form of the disease.
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In the early 1960s, thousands of children received a particular inactivated vaccine, so if they were exposed to the actual measles virus, they developed atypical measles. This was characterized by high fever, severe abdominal pain and lung inflammation and often required hospitalization. That particular vaccine was eventually withdrawn.
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The final case deals with the vaccination attempt of the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). Children treated with one type of vaccine in the 1960s developed an enhanced form of the disease, often suffering from high fever, bronchopneumonia and wheezing. Dozens ended up being hospitalized and two died.
But those adverse effects were discovered pretty quickly after vaccination and were therefore easily linked to the cause. You specifically asked about long term effects...
Article in the British Medical Journal by an infectious disease specialist titled "Public should be told that vaccines may have long term adverse effects"
It's based on a study of influenza vaccination in infants & toddlers and later development of diabetes in those children.
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Thus diabetes induced by vaccine should not be considered a rare potential adverse event. The incidence of many other chronic immunological diseases, including asthma, allergies, and immune mediated cancers, has risen raidly and may also be linked to immunisation.
This article was published in 1999 - have you ever heard of a link between vaccines and diabetes? I never have. Has anyone on this thread ever heard of this article or any potential link between vaccinations and other immunological diseases? This doctor was saying over 20 years ago that "the public should be told" but it doesn't seem like we were. Why not? Possibly because the pharmaceutical industry is so tightly intertwined with the medical research community that further studies never got funded or publicized?
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