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re: If climate change is a hoax...
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:52 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:52 am to Eli Goldfinger
Given the fact that science has settled in on the fact that there have been 5 global ice ages, previously, then it stands to reason that the Earth's climate history of global warming and cooling is cyclical. Otherwise - how would each previous ice age melt away to give rise eventually to another?
Man-made climate change, however is a farce.
Short of simultaneous detonation of all the nuclear weapons on the planet, thinking that much of anything man could do to destroy the entire planet is the definition of hubris.
Man-made climate change, however is a farce.
Short of simultaneous detonation of all the nuclear weapons on the planet, thinking that much of anything man could do to destroy the entire planet is the definition of hubris.
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:52 am to 0
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I'm in the camp that thinks we are probably negligible in the big picture but why not try to take care of the planet we are living on?
If it's negligible, what is there to do and why do it?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:53 am to CDawson
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The climate changes. No dispute about it. Man doesn’t contribute to it.
There are 7 billion humans roaming the Earth rerouting waterways, clearing large expanses of forests, building concrete jungles, and yes emitting CO2 (etc etc.)
I don't think the best argument is debating whether or not we affect the climate - because it really isn't hard to believe that we do in some way. There is also convincing evidence that we do.
What we SHOULD be debating is has there been any proposed realistic solution to date that would affect the climate in any beneficial/meaningful way?
The answer is lolz no.
We should also be debating the question of whether our impact is somehow catastrophic, unrecoverable, apocalyptic etc etc.
That answer is lolz probably not.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 8:54 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:55 am to Norbert
Climate change is real
The long term affects are the real issue. There's no doubt it's overly exaggerated. But something will need to be done
The long term affects are the real issue. There's no doubt it's overly exaggerated. But something will need to be done
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:56 am to VoxDawg
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Short of simultaneous detonation of all the nuclear weapons on the planet,
In the time between the dinos and man the earth would be just fine again.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:21 am to Norbert
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There are 7 billion humans roaming the Earth rerouting waterways, clearing large expanses of forests, building concrete jungles, and yes emitting CO2 (etc etc.)
uh, there is only a finite amount of elements on our planet. So whether you rearrange them, or reconfigure them, youre not changing anything on a global scale. Ever
Even Nagasaki, Hiroshima, and Chernobyl after the greatest manmade destruction known, will return to normal within the course of one human lifetime. Even Bikini atoll (site of 23 nuclear tests) was not permanently damaged by mankinds most destructive force
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We found, much to our surprise, not just scattered corals, but very abundant, big healthy coral communities — corals larger than cars scattered about the edges of a hydrogen bomb crater, he says. You’re kind of looking at that and thinking, ‘Well, that’s strange.’
Frankly, the visual and emotional impact of it is just stunning. The corals look like they have been growing in place for 50-some years. How they emerged from such toxic beginnings is a question
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:24 am to VoxDawg
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Given the fact that science has settled in on the fact that there have been 5 global ice ages
You talking about in the quaternary or in the planet history?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:26 am to Eli Goldfinger
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If
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:27 am to Music_City_Tiger
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The Marxists. It's just another way to redistribute wealth.
This
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:31 am to Eli Goldfinger
I've explained it dozens of times:
1. UN - transfer of funds
2. Profs who want the grant money
3. De-developers opposed to 2nd and 3rd Waves.
1. UN - transfer of funds
2. Profs who want the grant money
3. De-developers opposed to 2nd and 3rd Waves.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:32 am to Eli Goldfinger
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...who’s behind it?
Globalists.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 10:59 am to BugAC
The climate changes.
My concern with using gov’t intervention to prevent the climate from changing is that it’s an unachievable goal. There’s no endpoint; the climate will always change.
Suppose the Green New Deal gets implemented, and then (surprise, surprise) the climate still changes, then what?
My concern with using gov’t intervention to prevent the climate from changing is that it’s an unachievable goal. There’s no endpoint; the climate will always change.
Suppose the Green New Deal gets implemented, and then (surprise, surprise) the climate still changes, then what?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:12 am to Eli Goldfinger
No one argues that the climate changes. The argument is extent that man has on the changes and more importantly where money is directed to stop or slow man’s impact
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:53 am to Eli Goldfinger
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...who’s behind it?
The Rothschilds are giving ferraris to any scientist supporting AGW. There's been a plethora of them on the roads around NASA the last few years.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:55 am to MorgusTheMagnificent
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The argument is extent that man has on the changes and more importantly where money is directed to stop or slow man’s impact
Well, you're leaving out a part. A big part. Even if man is totally responsible for climate change you have to prove that warmer temps are bad. Historically they have been great improvements for life on earth.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:50 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Climate change is real and nothing can stop it.
We can temporarily forestall impacts.
Its a lie to claim humans cannot temporarily change the situation, mostly for the worse.
And its a lie to pretend water and air are not ruined by industry, including power.
We can temporarily forestall impacts.
Its a lie to claim humans cannot temporarily change the situation, mostly for the worse.
And its a lie to pretend water and air are not ruined by industry, including power.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:33 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Climate change isn’t a hoax. The hoax part is blaming carbon emissions by humans for it. Don’t think anyone is claiming climate isn’t changing. Always has and it always will.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:40 pm to Eli Goldfinger
There’s a lot of people who stand to benefit:
1. Communists who seek the destruction of the capitalist system
2. Politicians who believe they can use it to fear monger votes and get elected
3. Bureaucrats who believe they will get to run the large agencies and state-owned enterprises needed to combat the climate menace
4. Wall street traders who believe they will get to corner the market on offset credits and carbon trading if a cap & trade policy is enacted
5. Multinational corporations who produce their goods offshore looking to throttle domestic competitors
6. Foreign nations looking to impose strict regulations on competing nations to fuel the growth of their domestic industries
7. Media loves a catastrophe to report on to scare viewers into watching
8. Academics want dat govt grant money to stay in business and get tenure.
1. Communists who seek the destruction of the capitalist system
2. Politicians who believe they can use it to fear monger votes and get elected
3. Bureaucrats who believe they will get to run the large agencies and state-owned enterprises needed to combat the climate menace
4. Wall street traders who believe they will get to corner the market on offset credits and carbon trading if a cap & trade policy is enacted
5. Multinational corporations who produce their goods offshore looking to throttle domestic competitors
6. Foreign nations looking to impose strict regulations on competing nations to fuel the growth of their domestic industries
7. Media loves a catastrophe to report on to scare viewers into watching
8. Academics want dat govt grant money to stay in business and get tenure.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 5:42 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I blame Enron for starting it. LINK
Enron had set up to run the exchange for carbon credits and were going to make a fortune if they could convince the world global warming was real and that we needed to assign carbon credits that could be traded.
Enron had set up to run the exchange for carbon credits and were going to make a fortune if they could convince the world global warming was real and that we needed to assign carbon credits that could be traded.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:01 pm to Eli Goldfinger
The climate will always change, the real question is are we accelerating the change to where it'll mess with the ecosystems.
Regardless we should strive for renewable and green energy. Oil is a finite source and when it goes out shite will hit the fan on a level you can't imagine. Also smog is a thing so less of that would be great. We should certainly to keep our ecosystems clean as well.
Regardless we should strive for renewable and green energy. Oil is a finite source and when it goes out shite will hit the fan on a level you can't imagine. Also smog is a thing so less of that would be great. We should certainly to keep our ecosystems clean as well.
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