re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions

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of those things result(ed) in fewer people drinking and doing drugs. That’s the nature of the law. Some people don’t want to break the law and risk being arrested so they don’t do what the law prohibits. When you make drugs and alcohol legal, more people will be willing to do those things, which is my point. 

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Prohibition may have deterred some, but it created the original organized crime syndicates. It effectively created a problem that we couldn't solve. Prior to prohibition, you just had small groups of hustlers who could be caught rather easily.


It was a failure, so much so that 20th Amendment had to be abolished.

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You know how one solution to illegal immigration is to heavily punish employers of illegals so they are not motivated to hire them? Make sure that mothers face the responsibility of raising their offspring and aren’t given a free escape via abortion and they will be motivated to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

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I agree. But there's one difference. An employer can be sued and fired if they hire II. The mother will keep her kid PLUS whatever welfare benefits the federal government offer her. The state can kick and scream about it all day.

You have to go all out one way or the other.

-stop abortion, and be prepared for more welfare.

-stop abortion, and fix the welfare state to a manageable level.

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So you are for abortion because it rids society of the lowest common denominator.

Ok.

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Are you for or against a larger Welfare/Social Program State in this country?

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Offer free voluntary sterilization.

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I agree

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It used to be that the stigma was so great around unwed pregnancy that people would get married to avoid it. That was better for children and for the parents in different ways. That rarely happens anymore and abortion has replaced marriage in those situations. 

Sin is the problem and more sin is not the solution.

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Some form of social stigma is needed in our society. I see that frequently when I notice just how large the single motherhood rate is.

However, the old way of social stigma (forcing marriage) has arguably not made the problem any better. What you end up with is alot of unhappy marriages where spouses are bitter and normally some form degenerate behavior (cheating, alcoholism, etc.) takes place.

Coltaine on YouTube put it best in his series analyzing birth control, marriage, and social influences. People look at the pre 1970s as a golden age of marriage, but that's through rose-tinted glasses. In truth many of those marriages were a disaster.

And if social norms are the only thing keeping divorce from happening instead of love and commitment, then it wasn't better, just marketed well.

You could also hold the fathers accountable for the kids they are producing. You must work to take care of your kids. If that means a “work camp” to pay for the welfare going to your kid and baby mama, then so be it.

Responsibility works two ways. Women are not getting themselves pregnant. You want to hold people accountable you hold both parties accountable. Stop giving women welfare and men an out by giving women welfare, and you might start seeing some changes.

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Hence the reason you want government intervention

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Your feelings are understood. But as a conservative we should fight for the LEAST amount of government possible. This board is becoming Liberal-lite and not realizing it.

Think of it this way, banning abortion at the state level WILL NOT STOP WELFARE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. You're not going to see a decrease in the behaviors you dont like.

Honestly, I want states to ban abortion, keep a metric on how things have changed over 10 years, and then get back to us.

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Which also leaves us with in truth many of those marriages were wonderful. 

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It wasnt a mutually exclusive statement. I'm sure some people learned to love each other. I guess it boils down this:


Is it worth risking keeping two people together just because they had a kid and may not legitimately love each other?

There isnt really a right or wrong answer to this. Even with kids, you still have to assume that the two people will at least do right by them.

They could just stop giving welfare out to lazy people that don’t want to work . Maybe if they work then they wouldn’t have so much time to make babies to kill .