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Jack Bauers HnK
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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Show me one time in history when puritan legislation has prevented people from engaging in sex.


Can’t beat a real argument so you make a straw man. There are loads of birth control options available to the people who are just unable to control themselves. We don’t have an abortion problem because contraception is not easily available.


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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
Do you understand basic human physiology and how humans reproduce?


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Muthsera
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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People act as though abstinence is impossible and that unwanted pregnancy is unavoidable.


As I said to another poster, show me one time in history when puritanical legislation prevented people from having sex.

Black people broke laws against interracial sex at the height of Jim Crow when 5,000 of them were being lynched.

Gay people broke laws against homosexual sex when they risked loaing their jobs, friends, family, and freedom by being outed, not to mention getting their heads bashed in by a misread signal to the wrong person.

Religious people get sat down and taught that premarital sex is a sin and they will burn in hell for eternity if they don't abstain and repent for the lust in their heart and still have sex.


Jack Bauers HnK
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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As someone else stated, your professionals aren't having abortions. It is the poors that will depend on welfare.


Professionals generally take responsibility. The poors can get free condoms but refuse to use them.

You know how one solution to illegal immigration is to heavily punish employers of illegals so they are not motivated to hire them? Make sure that mothers face the responsibility of raising their offspring and aren’t given a free escape via abortion and they will be motivated to prevent unwanted pregnancies.


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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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pointless virtue signal


Libs trying to take this over is hilarious.

The law literally stops abortions. Thats not a “signal”.

Find a different word but this is no “boycott” or “sex strike”.


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Muthsera
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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Can’t beat a real argument so you make a straw man.


"I agree, never in history have we been able to prevent people from having sex. Not with religion, government, or even violent brutality. However, admitting this would make me have to think beyond making simple judgment of people and possibly open my wallet."


Jack Bauers HnK
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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I agree, never in history have we been able to prevent people from having sex.


Again, there is a such a thing as contraception. People can have sex and prevent pregnancies.


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BestBanker
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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People act as though abstinence is impossible and that unwanted pregnancy is unavoidable.

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As I said to another poster, show me one time in history when puritanical legislation prevented people from having sex.


Is this the definition of cognozant dissonance?

What does puritanism have to do with scientific fact? I thought you loved science?

Or, you truly connect abstinence with purity...hmm. interdasting.


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Homesick Tiger
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
I'll leave it at this - taxpayer's money is not used to bail out criminals out of jail for their misguided choices in life so why should taxpayer's money be used to bail out irresponsible women's misguided choices in life?


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FooManChoo
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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As I said to another poster, show me one time in history when puritanical legislation prevented people from having sex.

Black people broke laws against interracial sex at the height of Jim Crow when 5,000 of them were being lynched.

Gay people broke laws against homosexual sex when they risked loaing their jobs, friends, family, and freedom by being outed, not to mention getting their heads bashed in by a misread signal to the wrong person.

Religious people get sat down and taught that premarital sex is a sin and they will burn in hell for eternity if they don't abstain and repent for the lust in their heart and still have sex.
When you don’t punish something, you will get more of it. When you punish it, you will get less of it. That’s generally how it goes in life. It doesn’t mean you will get none of something by punishing it, but you will get less. Murder is illegal but it still happens. If you made willful homicide legal, you will get more of it.

Likewise, when you remove laws and stigmas around extramarital sex you will get more extramarital sex. It used to be that the stigma was so great around unwed pregnancy that people would get married to avoid it. That was better for children and for the parents in different ways. That rarely happens anymore and abortion has replaced marriage in those situations.

Sin is the problem and more sin is not the solution.


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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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-Pass mandatory paid maternity and paternity leave


So arbitrarily raise costs and kill jobs for everyone. I'm sure that will help.

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Expand Medicaid so low income women feel confident in their ability to receive medical care


Maybe you should look at the data on this.

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Teach comprehensive sex ed in middle school and high school, educate students about Plan B and the morning after pill


Plan B and the morning after pill are the same thing as abortions. They prevent the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.

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Teach comprehensive sex ed in middle school and high school, educate students about Plan B and the morning after pill


You and I both know the adoption process is not remotely in the minds of an expecting mother who seeks an abortion. "Oh I'd carry this baby for 9 months, and let it be adopted, but it will take to long. Guess I'll just kill it instead." Please.





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Bateaux
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
I agree 100% with every point except

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Pass mandatory paid maternity and paternity leave

-Expand Medicaid so low income women feel confident in their ability to receive medical care



I think that passing mandatory paid leave would hurt more than it helps plus it goes against free market principles.

If abortion is going to be a thing I think a man should be able to pay the equivalent of an abortion to the mother and then peace out with no legal ramifications. If a woman is able to escape all responsibility for the child with no say from the man then the man should be able to do the same thing.

I think one of the reasons we have such a high out of wedlock birth rate is that unwed pregnancy no longer has a lot of the negative. The government now takes care of single mothers and fathers.


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AUCE05
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
Forcing them to take care of their children is a terrible idea. Stop illegals. Punish opioid users/dealers. Give people economic hope with jobs, etc. That will reduce abortions. Bills like this make all southern peoples look ignorant. It also further divides the Republican party. Your 1980 on crowd doesn't want religion in politics. They are pushing them blue.


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Muthsera
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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When you don’t punish something, you will get more of it. When you punish it, you will get less of it. That’s generally how it goes in life.


This is fricking laughable.

War on Drugs.
Prohibition.


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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
You ever considered how you would look wearing mustard and ketchup.?


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Bestbank Tiger
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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We had very good sex education in high school and yet we continually had teenage pregnancies.

Why? Because young people don't use their brains when having sex.


Very good?

Our curriculum called for comprehensive sex ed but it was taught by a meathead ex-jock gym teacher. So we didn't learn anything.


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FooManChoo
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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This is fricking laughable.

War on Drugs.
Prohibition.
Both of those things result(ed) in fewer people drinking and doing drugs. That’s the nature of the law. Some people don’t want to break the law and risk being arrested so they don’t do what the law prohibits. When you make drugs and alcohol legal, more people will be willing to do those things, which is my point.

Making a law will not prevent all people from doing what that law prohibits, but it will make people think twice about it.
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volod
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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Pass mandatory paid maternity and paternity leave 

-Expand Medicaid so low income women feel confident in their ability to receive medical care 

-Teach comprehensive sex ed in middle school and high school, educate students about Plan B and the morning after pill 

-Allow and promote adoption by homosexual couples. Streamline the process and become the most adoption friendly state in the country. 


I agree with all of it. The idea that abortion is wrong isn't the problem. It's the economic factors.

But as your like/dislike ratio indicates, most dont really want to actually solve the problem. They just want to have something to complain about. Human nature isnt going to change because it doesn't fit your religious ideology.

This is exactly why real welfare reforms wont happen either. Everyone wants to say how bad it is, but nobody wants to actually fix the process politically.


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TOSOV
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
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There’s no accidental pregnancies,


This needs to be taught at a young age too. Would prevent a lot of older siblings bullying their younger siblings about being "an accident". Apparently, per a friend, that happens.


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crazyatthecamp
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re: If Alabama was actually serious about lowering abortions
So you are for abortion because it rids society of the lowest common denominator.

Ok.


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