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Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:42 am to
Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
3679 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:42 am to
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If you look at recent statistics, we aren't living longer.
Now, if you look at the time before sanitary water and personal grooming habits got much better, say around the beginning of the 1900's until today, life spans and health have increased. If I remember correctly, penicillin wasn't used a lot until the time period during WW2. It was seen as a miracle because it was.
Things have now become very unbalanced to the other extreme.

So does that mean we need to look down on medical students? Or only the ones who don't only subscribe to your naturopathic views?
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14234 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:43 am to
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I vividly remember going to a doctor for a physical. He looked at his computer more than he looked at me.


This is when I stopped going to my GP... he used to not be that way, but the entire practice turned into zombies around the time of covid, it was very disconcerting.
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
1562 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:47 am to
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Did I say that?
Take the loss Robin. This thread didn't go like you thought it would. You had a few PT idiots bite, but when you got called out, you ran away

Much more to your surprise, this thread has confirmed the loss of respect the general public has for main stream medicine (allopaths).
Ad hominem attacks will never replace reasoned responses.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59119 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:49 am to
I wouldn’t consider consensus here to representative of the general public on its face.
Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
3679 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:50 am to
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Ad hominem attacks will never replace reasoned responses.

I had a few reasoned responses, as well as others, but you ignored them.
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
1562 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:53 am to
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I’m a doctor.

OK doctor, answer this if you can.
What kind of practice do you have? Individual personally owned practice or do you work in a clinic with many other physicians? If you work in a clinic, is you practice in any way influenced by the administration of the clinic?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11456 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:54 am to
You keep using “clinic” without defining wtf you mean by it.
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
1562 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 10:58 am to
Clinc, as in a large facility with many medical professionals that have an administration over them.
That means an administration that may pressure their doctors to treat patients in certain profitable ways and/or set up pay scales that give financial incentives for doing so.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11456 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:00 am to
It seems more like what you are getting at is “do you work for a large hospital system/academic center or a private practice.” PPs can be solo (very rare nowadays) or large groups of physicians.
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
1562 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:10 am to
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It seems more like what you are getting at is “do you work for a large hospital system/academic center or a private practice.” PPs can be solo (very rare nowadays) or large groups of physicians.

Thanks for admitting that most physicians work in large clinics. Its almost impossible to find a doctor tgat has their own practice. When I was young most physicians worked in their own practice, now they work in large clinics and are influenced by the administration of these corporations.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
3010 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:14 am to
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Individuals aren’t really culpable for systemic failures


Even the individuals who knowingly caused the opioid epidemic via kickback percriptions?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52157 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:19 am to
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they can’t be all that smart if they let me frick them.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17625 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:23 am to
We do and we need big pharma and insurance to be dismantled and reimagined so the doctors can actually do their job.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21813 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:26 am to
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Good luck with that surgery, or brain tumor or broken limbs. Jesus you people are insane

This is retarded. Nobody is arguing that there is no doctoring that's high value and necessary for a healthy/productive life. What's being pointed out, and should be obvious for anyone paying attention, is that the medical industry isn't special/altruistic (like it sees itself) and is pretty pedestrian in that it's chock-full of bullshite, fearmongering to drive revenue, and teeming with entitled dipshits patting themselves on the back.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
11456 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:36 am to
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Thanks for admitting that most physicians work in large clinics. It’s almost impossible to find a doctor tgat has their own practice.

I’m confused why you think this is some type of gotcha
quote:

When I was young most physicians worked in their own practice, now they work in large clinics and are influenced by the administration of these corporations.

What do you think is the main reason why solo practices are much rarer now than they used to be? Do you think it’s because doctors love to be told what to do by administrators

Also, explain why a 20 physician private practice is “under the thumb of some administrators” any more than a solo private practice?

It’s clear you really haven’t thought all of this through….
Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
3679 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:37 am to
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This is retarded. Nobody is arguing that there is no doctoring that's high value and necessary for a healthy/productive life.

The post you quoted was a direct response to the OP that said all medical students will be looked down upon like car salesmen and lawyers. I simply pointed out how stupid that blanket statement, only made for PT idiot up votes, was. And the OP has ignored every challenge to it
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67466 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:40 am to
“common sense” =/= RFK Jr. Far from it. Jesus, people, what’s wrong with you?
Do you honestly believe the crap you post, really?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35892 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:44 am to
If they don't like doctors they can always go to faith healers.....or perform the surgeries themselves.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70166 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:48 am to
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They don't care. They just want easy money.


Super easy to get through med school, 5 years of residency, and once you make a real salary all the obamacare red tape mountains of paperwork.

Keep talking out of your arse though
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71659 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:54 am to
Sounds like a good time to become a witch doctor.

I've been saving my chicken bones and trapping frogs since 2021. There are some bats not far from me. I'm still trying to figure out what eye of newt is.
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