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re: I support the government making lists of all eligible voters & voter ID… IF
Posted on 4/2/26 at 1:18 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 4/2/26 at 1:18 pm to bhtigerfan
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Yes, less uninformed retards voting. Am I supposed to be ashamed of this? Because I’m not. I’m adamant about it.
Who decides who “uninformed retards” are? How do you plan to implement a solution for people you don’t want voting exercising their right to vote?
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 1:28 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:By not forcing them to vote like you’re proposing.
How do you plan to implement a solution for people you don’t want voting exercising their right to vote?
Can you honestly say that making uniformed people vote would improve our government? Seriously?
You’re literally pulling for Idiocracy for the sake of “democracy.”
Posted on 4/2/26 at 1:29 pm to bhtigerfan
Maybe making voting obligatory will increase emphasis on people becoming informed & folks taking voting seriously.
Never considered that? Why are you assuming everyone who ever skipped an election was uninformed?
Never considered that? Why are you assuming everyone who ever skipped an election was uninformed?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 1:51 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Maybe making voting obligatory will increase emphasis on people becoming informed & folks taking voting seriously.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 2:00 pm to DeathByTossDive225
You’re seriously retarded.
Give me 10 possible “leaders” to vote from. Some of them are good, some bad, some terrible, some outstanding.
Take 1,000 voters, 33 percent of the voters are complete idiots, completely uninformed, 33 percent are somewhat informed, and 33 percent are very informed. Let them choose a leader from the 10 applicants.
Now do the same with another 1,000 voters, 66 percent are somewhat informed and the other 33 percent are very informed. Let them choose a leader from the 10 applicants.
Who do you think will select a more competent leader?
Give me 10 possible “leaders” to vote from. Some of them are good, some bad, some terrible, some outstanding.
Take 1,000 voters, 33 percent of the voters are complete idiots, completely uninformed, 33 percent are somewhat informed, and 33 percent are very informed. Let them choose a leader from the 10 applicants.
Now do the same with another 1,000 voters, 66 percent are somewhat informed and the other 33 percent are very informed. Let them choose a leader from the 10 applicants.
Who do you think will select a more competent leader?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 2:03 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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automatic registration of eligible parties at age 18.
More unmotivated voters = more vectors for fraud
Posted on 4/2/26 at 2:06 pm to VoxDawg
This idiot just wants Idiocracy for the sake of “Muh democracy.”
Who cares if we bankrupt and destroy the nation, everyone voted for it! Success!
Who cares if we bankrupt and destroy the nation, everyone voted for it! Success!
Posted on 4/2/26 at 2:07 pm to bhtigerfan
If a person isn't serious enough about their civic responsibility to register to vote on their own, they aren't serious enough of an adult to be voting in the first place.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 2:08 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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this is how you get democrats on board.
Wrongggg. They don’t want it no matter what because they won’t be able to create as many fraudulent registrations and ballots
Posted on 4/2/26 at 3:31 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Eligible voters. Really man?
Yes, really. Your argument is that everybody should vote in a representative government. Right?
"Eligible voters" is at our discretion and can change any time we collectively want it to.
If you want adult voters who don't know what the frick they're even voting for casting votes and who can't or chose not to understand the ramifications of their votes, what is your reasoning for why 10 year olds shouldn't be eligible?
Isn't that the exact argument for excluding them?
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Because corporations are the most authoritarian entities in existence.
No, authoritarian governments are. An authoritarian government can seize all your assets, put you in prison for no reason, take your life. A corporation can't.
But that aside, in this respect, corporations work the same way that universities and non-profits and most member organizations work.
And there's a reason for that. And that reason is what I have said. Not what you have said.
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We are governed based on a consensus of the majority.
Nope.
If that were true the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would never have passed. Not when it actually did pass, anyway. Same for slavery. Same for women's suffrage. The majority of eligible voters wouldn't have voted for any of those things at the time.
We are governed by representative decisions within the limits of a Constitution, which is very different than what you claimed.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 4/2/26 at 3:35 pm to wackatimesthree
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Yes, really. Your argument is that everybody should vote in a representative government.
Absurd strawman.
You expect me to believe you can’t distinguish between a system that incentivizes maximum engagement amongst eligible voters from a made up argument you pulled straight from your arse… that 6 year olds and non-citizens should be eligible?
What a load of disingenuous shite. Not worth engaging seriously.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 3:54 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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You expect me to believe you can’t distinguish between a system that incentivizes maximum engagement amongst eligible voters from a made up argument you pulled straight from your arse… that 6 year olds and non-citizens should be eligible?
You're right, there's an absurd straw man afoot, but it's yours, not mine.
I never said 6 year olds should be able to vote.
I pointed out that the reason that we do NOT let 6 year olds (actually I said 10 year olds...you can't even be honest about that) is the same reason that it's stupid to try to force uninterested adults to vote.
As everyone reading this knows, I don't think either should be voting, for the same reason, and I have asked you why you think one group who will certainly cast irresponsible votes is desirable, but another group who will cast irresponsible votes is not.
And you are retreating to lying and a fallacious appeal to ridicule.
At that point, might as well just take the L that you have so dilligently earned.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:03 pm to wackatimesthree
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I pointed out that the reason that we do NOT let 6 year olds is the same reason that it's stupid to try to force uninterested adults to vote.
This is one of the most absurd false equivalencies I’ve ever encountered.
Part of the OP suggests automatically registering eligible voters upon reaching the age of 18.
Secondly, and for the 10th time, compulsory voting allows a citizen to cast a blank ballot. But since they’ve got to go vote anyway, it encourages informing themselves. It’s about more people engaging with democracy.
Thirdly, I never said that you said 6 year olds should vote. I said it’s an irrelevant fricking straw man because I never suggested changing the parameters for eligibility.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:02 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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This is one of the most absurd false equivalencies I’ve ever encountered.
You don't even know what the term "false equivalency" means based on your post.
But again that aside, if it's so ridiculous, why won't you tell me why you favor one group who will cast irresponsible votes, but not the other?
It should be easy to do if it's so obvious, as you claim.
The fact is that it doesn't matter why each group would cast irresponsible votes. Both will. So why one and not the other? Should be easy to answer...I'll keep waiting for one.
And I'll throw out another relevant fact: 21% of the adult population of the US reads below a 5th grade level and is considered functionally illiterate.
So again, why is forcing adults who read at a 4th grade level to vote a good thing, but allowing actual 4th graders to vote is laughable?
Assuming we're talking about 4th graders who read at grade level, they would be on pretty equal mental footing.
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Secondly, and for the 10th time, compulsory voting allows a citizen to cast a blank ballot.
Yeah, I addressed that way back. And you had no rebuttal.
But moving forward, if that's such a great reason to force people who will cast irresponsible votes to vote, then again, why not let 10 year olds vote?
They can always cast a blank ballot, right?
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I never said that you said 6 year olds should vote. I said it’s an irrelevant fricking straw man
You don't know what a straw man is either. By definition, you can't accuse me of making a straw man argument, then claim you never said I made that argument.
You aren't very smart, man. I should have known that just from the OP. You are continuing to embarrass yourself.
Your idea is dumb, almost everyone who has replied has told you that, I've told you why, you have had no coherent rebuttal to what I've said except accusing me of things I haven't done, but that reveal that you don't understand the things you are accusing me of.
At least be smart enough to know when you should quit.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:10 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Who decides who “uninformed retards” are?
Same people who decided that the voting cutoff is 18.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:13 pm to wackatimesthree
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Same people who decided that the voting cutoff is 18.
18 is the age at which you can serve in the military and the beginning of young adulthood.
Age is also objective and not open for interpretation. “Uninformed” notsomuch.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:14 pm to wackatimesthree
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At least be smart enough to know when you should quit.
The fact you believe you’re somehow winning an argument with that wall of incoherent word salad is entertaining.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:17 pm to DeathByTossDive225
National Biometric ID
- VoterID card
- replaces SSN CARD
-used for all Federal and State benefit programs
- National Drivers License
-national automobile insurance (get rid of state insurance commissions and varying rates across USA)
-do the same for health insurance, streamline the systems
- VoterID card
- replaces SSN CARD
-used for all Federal and State benefit programs
- National Drivers License
-national automobile insurance (get rid of state insurance commissions and varying rates across USA)
-do the same for health insurance, streamline the systems
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:28 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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18 is the age at which you can serve in the military and the beginning of young adulthood.
Yeah? So what?
What does serving in the military have to do with picking leaders?
The driving age is usually 16. Why not then?
And if individuals are adults at 18, why did the ACA mandate that insurance companies had to allow people to stay on their parents' insurance until they were 26?
And why can't someone who can serve in the military buy alcohol or tobacco, rent a car, legally gamble in a casino, hold a permit, stay at an all inclusive resort, buy a lottery ticket, teach someone to drive, be an Uber driver, get married without parental consent in all states, adopt a child, get a concealed carry license in some states, or serve on jury duty until they are 21?
It's almost like lawmakers recognize that each of these things are independent of each other and need individual consideration instead of lumping them together like you just did.
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Age is also objective and not open for interpretation.
But it's also arbitrary, at least to some degree. For example, some 18 year olds have no business doing many of the things we allow them to do at 18, others have more business doing them than people twice or three times their age.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:29 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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The fact you believe you’re somehow winning an argument with that wall of incoherent word salad is entertaining.
The fact that you don't even understand enough about what's been said to realize that it's not incoherent at all, you're just too dumb to grasp it, is far more entertaining.
And I'm betting not just to me.
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