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re: I support the government making lists of all eligible voters & voter ID… IF
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:24 am to GRTiger
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:24 am to GRTiger
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I have no interest in responding to the topic of this thread because you already showed your goal here.
Well then, thanks for contributing absolutely nothing
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:26 am to DeathByTossDive225
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compulsory voting
Yeah, people who don't want to vote always make the best voting decisions when forced to vote.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:29 am to LSUbest
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As soon as you say I "have to" I say "screw you". Maybe you can grasp that.
You can submit a blank ballot. Are you saying voting is already too difficult?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:35 am to DeathByTossDive225
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I want less people voting, not more.
Why?
The same reason no organization of any size lets members/employees vote on every action they take or even who they hire in leadership positions.
The cashiers and janitors at Wal-Mart don't get to vote for who Wal-Mart hires as their store manager or the CEO of the company, for example.
And there's a very obvious reason for that.
Very few—if any—cashiers or janitors have anything legitimately valuable to contribute toward those actions, and even more importantly, because there are so many of them, they would end up dominating the agenda.
So instead of hiring a manager who would make sure that the store was efficient and profitable, you would end up with a manager who instituted policies designed to please the cashiers and janitors, NOT policies designed to maximize the health of the store.
If people have insufficient interest in politics to register and vote as it is, why would anyone think any significant number of those people would be informed enough to cast a thoughtful vote?
And why would we want people to cast frivolous votes?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:35 am to Zach
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Yeah, people who don't want to vote always make the best voting decisions when forced to vote.
You’re allowed to submit a blank ballot.
It would put pressure on govts and employers to make voting a priority & also increase political engagement.
It’s not a novel idea, and it didn’t destroy Australia. They have 90% turnout. Civic duty and all that… The arguments against this are weak.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:36 am to DeathByTossDive225
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You can submit a blank ballot.
So then politicians pander to try to capture those blank vote people.
Guess what the quality of those political appeals is going to be?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:36 am to DeathByTossDive225
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The founders wrote the constitution so that rights could be expanded & they have been over 250 years.
That is quite the assertion. I’d argue the exact opposite. What rights would the heavily Christian society that we had propose that we didn’t when they founded this country? The populous right to vote is not anywhere close to what they wanted.
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You want control. You’re an opponent of freedom and representative democracy.
Again, an assertion. Why is anything beside a representative democracy against freedom? Why do you need the right to vote to be free? The entailment suggests that America was not free until the 1970’s when the 19th amendment was passed.
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You claim to champion fairness and democracy but in reality just want to rig the system to suit what you personally think is right.
This the best part. You think democracy doesn’t do the exact thing you accuse me of wanting. What we’ve done is allowed millions of people who can’t even keep themselves on time for work determine the course that we all make. Not only that, but those same people are completely willing to be bribed through government thievery. That’s what they vote for.
Now tell me, does the current government that locked you in your house for a year because of Covid make you feel more free?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:37 am to DeathByTossDive225
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it didn’t destroy Australia.
From my perspective it did.
I wouldn't want many of the policies that they tolerate in Australia instituted here.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:38 am to DeathByTossDive225
Here's something that seems to need to be said. If you force someone to do something, it is by definition no longer a right.
There, I taught you something you apparently didn't know.
There, I taught you something you apparently didn't know.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:38 am to HurricaneTiger
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The entailment suggests that America was not free until the 1970’s when the 19th amendment was passed.
You might want to fact check that one.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:39 am to wackatimesthree
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So instead of hiring a manager who would make sure that the store was efficient and profitable, you would end up with a manager who instituted policies designed to please the cashiers and janitors, NOT policies designed to maximize the health of the store.
A corporation is the most authoritarian entity in existence. There’s a reason governments function differently.
Your assertion is only true if the cashiers and janitors outnumber the managers… guess how representative democracy is supposed to work… rule by the people for the people.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:44 am to DeathByTossDive225
Very simple process that has been used before. Purge any and all registered voters that have not voted in the last two years. You have to vote a within two year cycle or you’ll be dropped from the rolls. You may then re-register to be active again. Dead people won’t re-register.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:47 am to HurricaneTiger
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Again, an assertion. Why is anything beside a representative democracy against freedom?
It’s less about “freedom” & more about representative democracy. Freedom has limits, but we accept those limits on the principle that they are established through consensus of the majority.
I am really just principally opposed to this robber-baron-esque idea of systematically cultivating a voting class when we already have a massive problem with moneyed special interests in govt and an elite political class.
A few dumbasses voting isn’t worth taking power from the people. As long as dumbasses remain proportionally low, engineering higher participation in democracy cultivates a stronger democracy.
That is way safer and resilient against potential worse case scenarios than your proposed antithetical alternative.
Enjoyed that piece of your response though, most interesting argument so far.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:48 am to DeathByTossDive225
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…it comes with compulsory voting a
No it does not. You are a moron.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:49 am to RohanGonzales
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No it does not. You are a moron.
Pretty sure you misread the post lol. See the all caps “IF” condition.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:50 am to DeathByTossDive225
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A corporation is the most authoritarian entity in existence.
Pick any other organization you want, then. A university. A non-profit. Even most member organizations don't vote directly for CEOs and board directors.
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There’s a reason governments function differently.
What's the reason?
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Your assertion is only true if the cashiers and janitors outnumber the managers
Well, yeah. What company do you know of where the managers outnumber the low level employees? And if there is an example of that, how does it serve as a parallel to the socioeconomic makeup of the United States?
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guess how representative democracy is supposed to work
How?
Show me the stone tablet that says everyone is supposed to vote in a representative form of government.
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rule by the people for the people.
All the people?
Why don't we let 10 year olds vote, then?
I know some 10 year olds that would cast more informed and thoughtful votes than some legal adults I know. So don't give me that as a reason.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 11:51 am
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:50 am to DeathByTossDive225
Need a “real” ID like the drivers license.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:52 am to GRTiger
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Here's something that seems to need to be said. If you force someone to do something, it is by definition no longer a right.
You’re allowed to submit a blank ballot. It just encourages participation. The penalties are mostly fines that would help with federal debt. It works.
Australia has 90% turnout in most elections, and that’s awesome.
Really a weak argument man. It’s like saying no to purging rolls because registration is inconvenient.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:54 am to DeathByTossDive225
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want to make it harder to vote & for less US citizens to vote.
Thats simply not true. Having an ID is a basic function of our society in all aspects of federal and local assistance, schooling, purchasing, etc etc
Bringing an ID does NOT make it harder. Thats just ignorance
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:55 am to DeathByTossDive225
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It’s not a novel idea, and it didn’t destroy Australia. They have 90% turnout. Civic duty and all that… The arguments against this are weak.
Anthony Albanese is a good argument for it?
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