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re: I remember when all the liberals were obsessive about privacy and free speech
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:44 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:44 am to Pettifogger
quote:well said
I honestly don't care that much about Trump being banned although I do think it's unhealthy to coordinate on an effort to silence a fairly-elected President.
But the Parler situation is much, much worse and shows a far more vindictive intent. Parler didn't contribute in any meaningful way to the cap invasion. It's merely an alternative they don't control, and one that became a destination for wrongthink conservatives. They can't have that, so even though Parler is merely the public square - they're trying to wage war on it. For being an unregulated public square. Surely that bothers any freedom-loving person.
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:46 am to CAD703X
A real liberal was and is passionate about those rights. The term liberal really doesn’t apply to the left anymore . Not classic liberalism
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:50 am to cahoots
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It’s still not a free speech issue at its core though. It’s more of an anti-trust thing
It is, the government bans speech by not protecting us...
Go read Jefferson and Madison.
Jefferson said in one of his SoU speeches, in so many words that speech shouldn't be restricted in any forum and if I've pissed off someone so bad they want to rally to take me out, then I deserve it.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:55 am to cahoots
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Again do you want the government telling tech companies what they can and can’t do?
Big government and the tech monopoly are already in bed. I don't know why you pretend this isn't the case.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:58 am to cahoots
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Last I checked progressives want to break up big tech. The government can’t force a private company to preserve free speech. It’s not a first amendment issue. Which is why there is an issue when a few companies run the show and control the content.
What do y’all want to happen? Government forces Twitter to unban Trump?
If you don't like twitter's policies then build your own app.
..but don't expect us to allow it to be downloaded...
..oh and hell, you can't use our server hardware.
..and frick off, install some solar panels & generate your own electricity to run it.
..what? no one will sell you solar panels? too bad.
sorry VISA and AMEX refuse to allow you to have credit or buy your own supplies to DIY solar panels. oh well.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:07 am to cahoots
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It’s still not a free speech issue at its core though. It’s more of an anti-trust thing. But conservatives are trying to frame it as the former.
Again do you want the government telling tech companies what they can and can’t do?
Probably not. So the solution does not lie ther
Free speech/freedom are not limited to the first amendment
So yeah, it's definitely a public square/marketplace of ideas/free speech issue
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:08 am to CAD703X
They're simply obsessed with whatever can give them the clout and power at the time. They have no real morals or standing on any issue; it changes with the wind. Remember when they were obsessed with police shootings, all of this past year? Rioted and protested about it? Yea, it was a major deal. Last week an unarmed female was shot and killed by a cop. Heard any outrage from a a liberal about it? LOL.
They never actually cared.
Conservatives however will ostracize their own if they go against the morals of the party. Easy example...Vitter was shunned with the quickness. You think governor Coonman faced or will ever face any repercussions from his liberal base? frick no lol. They were trying to eliminate conservative leadership above him so they could move him UP, now down.
They never actually cared.
Conservatives however will ostracize their own if they go against the morals of the party. Easy example...Vitter was shunned with the quickness. You think governor Coonman faced or will ever face any repercussions from his liberal base? frick no lol. They were trying to eliminate conservative leadership above him so they could move him UP, now down.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:09 am to CAD703X
They openly planned terrorist attacks and spouted about the amount of fear they could generate? Is that the free speech they wanted?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:12 am to CAD703X
Hell, it was more than that. Back in the 60s the worst thing you could be called was 'a conformist'. Now, everyone must conform or be destroyed.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:13 am to CAD703X
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I never thought I would see the day when our willingness to give away our digital "DNA footprint" would be used to harass us and cancel our lives and careers because of a difference of political opinion.
We've been headed here a long time.
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I never thought I'd see the day when 50%+ of the American population was considered treasonous and therefore any and all options that 'got them' was justified.
I don't think anyone is thinking the less than 50% of america thst supports trump is entirely full of traitors. Just the die hard toe the line he's always right folks who stormed the capitol. And most of those are people too dumb to realize q is a malicious prank on their gullibility
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:13 am to Pettifogger
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They require you (seriously) to unlearn and suspend your own lived experiences and scientific data in order to adopt their positions.
Can you imagine being so weak minded that you allow another human being to tell you that what your eyes see and ears hear are wrong?
I'd fricking spray cherry pie all over the ceiling with my mossberg if I ever found my mental fortitude so lacking.
I could never imagine letting my dignity or honor be rented out by another human, but obviously there are millions of pussies who just roll over and take it.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:21 am to Logician
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They're simply obsessed with whatever can give them the clout and power at the time. They have no real morals or standing on any issue; it changes with the wind. Remember when they were obsessed with police shootings, all of this past year? Rioted and protested about it? Yea, it was a major deal. Last week an unarmed female was shot and killed by a cop. Heard any outrage from a a liberal about it? LOL.
They never actually cared.
If I could upvote this one hundred times it still wouldn't be enough. You hit the nail square on the head and we really need more people to understand this
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:23 am to Barroom
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They're simply obsessed with whatever can give them the clout and power at the time. They have no real morals or standing on any issue; it changes with the wind. Remember when they were obsessed with police shootings, all of this past year? Rioted and protested about it? Yea, it was a major deal. Last week an unarmed female was shot and killed by a cop. Heard any outrage from a a liberal about it? LOL.
They never actually cared.
remember the 'how dare you' guys crying on air about the poor people stopped at the border?
'member?
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:44 am to Pettifogger
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:45 am to CAD703X
These aren’t liberals. They are progressives. Completely different animal.
Posted on 1/11/21 at 10:50 am to CAD703X
quote:We gave it to them.
I remember when all the liberals were obsessive about privacy and free speech
They took it from us.
We knew they were a snake before we took them in............
Posted on 1/11/21 at 11:13 am to cahoots
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At least some Democrats occasionally take sides with the people instead of our corporate overlords.
Any of this is completely invalidated by the fact that they also take sides with a small contingent of the people in attempting to rob and harm another contingent.
I don't have faith in anyone to fix the problem, but the Democrats are - broadly speaking - opposed to the people who have affection and admiration for this country.
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