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I no longer agree with mainstream economists that deflation is bad

Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:22 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74651 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:22 pm
I have decided to embrace the Austrian school’s view:

This article explains it well:

Deflating the deflation myth
quote:


The fear of deflation serves as The theoretical justification of every inflationary action taken by the Federal Reserve and central banks around the world. It is why the Federal Reserve targets a price inflation rate of 2 percent, and not 0 percent. It is in large part why the Federal Reserve has more than quadrupled the money supply since August 2008. And it is, remarkably, a great myth, for there is nothing inherently dangerous or damaging about deflation.

Deflation is feared not only by the followers of Milton Friedman (those from the so-called Monetarist or Chicago School of economics), but by Keynesian economists as well. Leading Keynesian Paul Krugman, in a 2010 New York Times article titled “Why Deflation is Bad,” cited deflation as the cause of falling aggregate demand since “when people expect falling prices, they become less willing to spend, and in particular less willing to borrow.”1

Presumably, he believes this delay in spending lasts in perpetuity. But we know from experience that, even in the face of falling prices, individuals and businesses will still, at some point, purchase the good or service in question. Consumption cannot be forever forgone. We see this every day in the computer/electronics industry: the value of using an iPhone over the next six months is worth more than the savings in delaying its purchase.

Another common argument in the defamation of deflation concerns profits. With falling prices, how can businesses earn any as profit margins are squeezed? But profit margins by definition result from both sale prices and costs. If costs — which are after all prices themselves — also fall by the same magnitude (and there is no reason why they would not), profits are unaffected.


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In addition, the American economic experience during the nineteenth century is even more telling.
Twice, while experiencing sustained and significant economic growth, the American economy “endured” deflationary periods of 50 percent.




Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
4128 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:26 pm to
Given that you are functionally retarded ...

I'll take the other side.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 9:27 pm
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
18195 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:29 pm to
The Austrian approach to the gross profit margin argument is pretty reasonable. A 20% return is a 20% return with or without inflation.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
6101 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:31 pm to
So you are rogertheshrubber reincarnated? The thought of Austrian economics and all of his other bs is now what you are promoting?
Posted by kayjay
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
724 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:35 pm to
Well then you know nothing about the economics of deflation. China is in a period of deflation currently and their unemployment rate is 20%. If you studied economics you would know that the answer to overcome inflation is expansive economic growth.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74651 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:35 pm to
Austrian economics is the way and the truth

I want to be buried with my hardcover copy of Man, Economy, and State.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44744 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:36 pm to
The Federal Reserve model is to build in an annual 2% inflation target. How we normalized a 2% tax increase with no vote from any representative is amazing to me……..
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74651 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:38 pm to
I have a degree in Econ from UC Irvine
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
6101 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

The Austrian approach to the gross profit margin argument is pretty reasonable. A 20% return is a 20% return with or without inflation.


I get that but it is just not true. Taxation would have to be regulated with inflation or deflation included. Who is going to be the regulator of this and how bad would the middle class get fricked when doing so.
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
3180 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:42 pm to
Economists...you mean people that never ran a business nor created a damn process in their life...sounds like politicians.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
14255 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:45 pm to
True deflation would result in some serious hard times. It is devastating to those who are indebted. From the US government on down.
Posted by Boom33
Member since Jul 2026
136 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:46 pm to
No, the problem with deflation is the banks will own everything. They loan out $100, expect $105 back after interest. However, the interest money itself is never created. Thus, it is impossible that loans are paid back and people will go bankrupt.

When people go bankrupt, the bank takes over their property and assets.

While this quote from Jefferson isn't 100% legit, it's only because he would have used different language, not because the spirit of it is incorrect or anything like that:

quote:

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."


His real quote was more like this:

quote:

"The paper bubble is then burst... we are now experiencing a scarcity of medium... The [banks] are withdrawing their notes... It is a situation of transition from a redundant to a restricted circulation."


He and many of the founders hated paper money, in large part due to the devaluation of the Continental Dollar due to hyperinflation.

No thanks on that other foot, I'd just like to stop the inflation and the practice of fractional reserve banking.


Posted by kayjay
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
724 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 10:06 pm to
Oh my, you must be so smart with a degree from UC Irvine. I bet you know everything. I have a MBA from Tulane and fortunately I didn’t have professors that tried to indoctrinate me. They taught me true micro and macro economics.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74651 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 10:22 pm to
You think UCI teaches Austrian Econ? Lmao

I retaught myself Econ after college, courtesy of Auburn University Mises center
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
56552 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 10:40 pm to
The vast majority of Americans have no clue what $40 trillion of US debt represents or what impact inflation has on their lives. The federal debt of $40 trillion and government/federal reserve induced inflation is the destruction of your purchasing power via the USD. Those who understand the fiat money scam and who are the first to the Federal Reserve money trough are the select few who truly prosper under the fiat monetary system....yeah, it's pretty much a racket. I firmly believe you could have reasonable fixed interest rates for key loans and the federal reserve is no longer needed. Never forget about Wall Street's concerns over interest rate uncertainties, fixed interest rates remove all uncertainties with regards to monetary policy.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 11:05 pm
Posted by SaintsTiger
1,000,000 Posts
Member since Oct 2014
2182 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 11:01 pm to
Me neither. People like lower prices.

- more people fly when plane tickets are cheap
- more people buy when clothes are on sale
- almost no one doesn’t like cheaper gas
- computer, TV and other industries prosper and grow with lower prices because they have more customers
- I could go on for a while

Government should quit manipulating the money supply and prices

ETA, remember when cell phones cost like $2,000 in the 90s? Only pretty rich people had them. Now that they’re cheap, everyone has them and plenty of people make money off of the industry.
This post was edited on 8/8/26 at 3:58 am
Posted by kayjay
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
724 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 11:09 pm to
Oh, so self taught. What misfortune for someone debating. Should you care to learn about microeconomics read The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith 1776. May God Bless you. And may our Lord give you discerning ears
Posted by BCvol
Member since Jan 2022
705 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 4:19 am to
Deflation is great if you are sitting on a big chunk of cash. It can ruin your finances if deep in debt like our government.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
83425 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 4:28 am to
To me the whole inflation/deflation argument looks like a scaling issue.


Are we going to measure in yards or inches?
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
30451 posts
Posted on 8/8/26 at 4:58 am to
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This article explains it well


Use your own words.

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