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re: I made a handy pic to explain to people who think we're trying to eradicate COVID

Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 1:51 pm to
that kept up bro
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:10 pm to
Leave it to a Stanford guy to start referring to Area Under Curves. What's next discussions on integrals?

On a more serious note, thanks for highlighting this.

Although I doubt our political rivals will understand as math is racist.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:27 pm to
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Leave it to a Stanford guy

i didn't go to Stanford
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Communist USA
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:29 pm to
Bingo...this is bullshite. Take ur losses and move on. Its gonna happen anyway!
Posted by pevetohead
lurking behind sonic
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:32 pm to
Lmao got his arse
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:33 pm to
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Chinese water torture?


ISWYDT

Probably racsis too
Posted by FlySaint
FL Panhandle
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:35 pm to
I’m not aware of anywhere, even in NYC, where capacity was exceeded, is exceeded now, or came close to being exceeded. So the plot of that blue line is off. If plotted correctly it would show that more measures were applied than were needed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:36 pm to
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I’m not aware of anywhere, even in NYC, where capacity was exceeded, is exceeded now, or came close to being exceeded. So the plot of that blue line is off. If plotted correctly it would show that more measures were applied than were needed.


thank you for explaining OP
Posted by SickGainzLP
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:43 pm to
All you have to say is that the area under the curve is ultimately the same in theory.
I get that your intent is to be snarkey but its really not that complicated nor is it widely misunderstood.

What does seem to be flying over most of this board's head though is basic risk management. Risks have probability and impact vectors. Mitigations are implemented to reduce probability or in the event that they come to pass and become issues reduce their impact.

Successful mitigation strategies are NOT evidence that no risk ever existed or that the risk/issue would not persist or rise again if mitigations were deprecated. This is what people here seem to either be missing or ignoring because it doesnt fit into their daily sky scream about the economy or the impact to Trump's reelection chances.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:46 pm to
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Successful mitigation strategies are NOT evidence that no risk ever existed

only the crazies are still saying this

hell, even the crazies said there was risk. they just compared it to an annual threat (the flu)

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or that the risk/issue would not persist or rise again if mitigations were deprecated.

i think everyone understands this. it's just that the initial models were SO OFF that we actually NEED to have more spread

otherwise, this will take years of SAH

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All you have to say is that the area under the curve is ultimately the same in theory.

you think most people have a working knowledge of Calc2?
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 2:47 pm
Posted by SickGainzLP
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:48 pm to
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you think most people have a working knowledge of Calc2
you have a point there.


And I agree that the current track is not sustainable forever. But a lot of people seem to be arguing that there shouldn't have been any shutdown and that we need to reopen everything at once
This post was edited on 4/20/20 at 2:50 pm
Posted by LSUJuice
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:50 pm to
I'm stealing that btw
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:51 pm to
feel free. i actually meant to include that in OP
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:52 pm to
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otherwise, this will take years of SAH


Your black line goes to the end of the graph. Who do you think is proposing that?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:53 pm to
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Who do you think is proposing that?

people who are barking about not starting to reopen most of the country
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:54 pm to
They're arguing about how soon. Your black line should be a lot shorter.

And you seem to have more confidence in the philosopher-kings of our technocracy than I would've expected.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:57 pm to
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Successful mitigation strategies are NOT evidence that no risk ever existed or that the risk/issue would not persist or rise again if mitigations were deprecated. This is what people here seem to either be missing or ignoring because it doesnt fit into their daily sky scream about the economy or the impact to Trump's reelection chances.


To continue with the condescending attitude, what YOU seem to be missing is that the elimination/reduction of a risk in and of itself is not evidence of a successful risk mitigation strategy.

If you needed to secure a stock certificate worth $10,000, would you consider building an underground 3,000 sqft bunker complete with state of the art security and a 24/7 100 man guard a successful risk mitigation strategy?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 2:59 pm to
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They're arguing about how soon.

what does this matter if we're so far under the danger zone?

every moment that we're under that line is wasted and only further prolongs SAH measures
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 3:03 pm to
Because we'd like to provide some deferred elective care again at some point.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 3:03 pm to
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You mean you typed some font over it that we already knew. If you actually drew the curves and colored I would give you credit


And just like that, SFP's attempt at fame became derailed due to the zealous efforts of the poli board's resident copyright infringement detective.
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