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Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:52 am to volod
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In all fairness, their are plenty of minorities who earn things legitimately. But AA ironically hurts them as it calls into question whether they actually earned it or was it an agenda. Seeking agendas isn't profitable, as Hollywood is finding out the hard way.
You knock it out of the park here. Theres no need to apologize. Its good enough just to have another black guy out there spreading the truth
Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:57 am to arcalades
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takes a big man to admit it took decades to grasp the obvious
To be fair, I assume it would be pretty hard when you are force fed that you are a victim all the time.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:10 am to Jake88
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by Jake88 ? on 5/12/20 at 7:08 am to volod
I dont know why the OT and this board have a history of downvoting you so much. You seem to ask genuine questions over the years. Even when it's not pro-conservative, it's not inflammatory.
In the past, I used to post on the OT concerning my college situation. And I posted ad nauseum. You would have thought that the person posting was whiny and obsessed. And you would have been correct.
It took finishing my degree and going out in the real world of work to realize that I was being naive.
I realize that I was wrong and improper in how I handled myself on the OT. I used the board to vent my frustrations when in reality I knew what my problem was and was just being insecure.
The past few years I've been trying to move on and take responsibility. The only way people will respect you is if you respect yourself and them as well.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:43 am to volod
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In the past, I used to post on the OT concerning my college situation. And I posted ad nauseum. You would have thought that the person posting was whiny and obsessed. And you would have been correct. It took finishing my degree and going out in the real world of work to realize that I was being naive. I realize that I was wrong and improper in how I handled myself on the OT. I used the board to vent my frustrations when in reality I knew what my problem was and was just being insecure. The past few years I've been trying to move on and take responsibility. The only way people will respect you is if you respect yourself and them as well.
You are young, V; what you have accomplished if far more important than you may currently realize, and appreciate. There is a wise saying "above ALL, to think own self be true". It's is pivotal, in that at a period in life when one establishes the trajectory of their future, that they choose the basic "First Premise" (Thomas Sowell) that will frame (subjective) perception and your belief and action for the rest of your life. You have chosen Truth, over Ego. Repentance (admission of former 'error') over egoic-defense; and that choice will enable you to move forward and prosper in Spiritual ways will benefit you personally, and our Human Family as a whole. MLK was right...it's not about the "color of one's skin...but the content of one's character".
You may and likely will live to be hundreds of years old, as high tech (Knowledge/Power) transforms our shared Reality. The sky is the limit. The one thing that is required for Humanity to finesse this wondrous 'transformation'...is that they pass the 'truth' test; that they are able to both recognize and act on basic, Universal Truths. Truths like that if we don't overrule our instinctual 'Selfish' genetic, inclinations...we'll fall victim to the Fermi Paradox premise. Which would be a sad and tragic end, to such beautiful potential.
Good work, and good luck...and/or God speed on your journey.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:45 am to volod
I worked at a job with 9 other people. Half of us were female, 7 white, 2 black, and one Vietnamese.
We sat in pairs, and my partner was a black male. The other black worker was female and grossly incompetent. We all knew that only the color of her skin combined with her genitalia kept her from being fired. She was a “two check mark” worker. Female? Check! Minority? Check!
One day at lunch, my partner complained about her “invulnerability”. He said that affirmative action hires like her, degraded his perceived value. Many people believed that he had been hired because of his black skin, including himself! And he feared that his skills would be overlooked. He was right, and this is even more tragic because he was very good.
We sat in pairs, and my partner was a black male. The other black worker was female and grossly incompetent. We all knew that only the color of her skin combined with her genitalia kept her from being fired. She was a “two check mark” worker. Female? Check! Minority? Check!
One day at lunch, my partner complained about her “invulnerability”. He said that affirmative action hires like her, degraded his perceived value. Many people believed that he had been hired because of his black skin, including himself! And he feared that his skills would be overlooked. He was right, and this is even more tragic because he was very good.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:55 am to volod
Damn son, what size coat do you wear?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:03 am to volod
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As I am getting older, I'm starting to get red pilled more on jobs and politics.
As is the way of life
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain
I have no heart according to Churchill, but I’m okay with that. I have a brain 
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:11 am to volod
Affirmative action is UNAMERICAN!!! Hiring someone because their skin color or gender is just wrong. Putting companies in this position while trying to be competitive with the rest of the world is just stupid.
I spent time in the military and worked for companies that use affirmative action as a guide and both of them were cluster fricks
I spent time in the military and worked for companies that use affirmative action as a guide and both of them were cluster fricks
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:23 am to volod
It all boils down to power, they want to divide us along race and gender so they can manipulate us...the Liberal media are masters at this. Any dissent gets you labeled which is a head scratchier because the left has hijacked the term liberal in order to control... it's double speak. They say free while they add rules and new laws. They say fair while making it restrictive on others. They say equal while making it unequal.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:25 am to volod
In the early 2000s, I was one of those white prog pieces of shite that would sit with a group of people and pat ourselves on the back when we awarded a student that was an "exception" a scholarship over an honor student, ESPECIALLY if the honor student was a white male from a private school. Then we wondered why we were losing so many National Merit Scholars to other schools.
Oh the stories I could tell of my intellectual depravity, but I just knew I was smarter than you. I was reminded of it daily.
Oh the stories I could tell of my intellectual depravity, but I just knew I was smarter than you. I was reminded of it daily.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:25 am to volod
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:28 am to volod
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In the past, I used to post on the OT concerning my college situation. And I posted ad nauseum. You would have thought that the person posting was whiny and obsessed. And you would have been correct.
It took finishing my degree and going out in the real world of work to realize that I was being naive.
This is why the voting age needs to be raised to 25. 18 year olds don't have enough real world experience to make a decision on who should be running the country.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:42 am to volod
People aren't aware of the history behind AA. Like many govt initiatives it was meant to be temporary but nothing created by the govt ever expires.
In hiring it was designed to right past wrongs for individual blacks ...not blacks in general.
IE, if blacks couldn't be police officers in BR in 1964 and then they could starting in 1965, none of them would have seniority for promotions for 20 years. So, aff action said '10 promotions go the the 8 whites with most seniority and 2 blacks with the most among newly hired blacks.
Well, now jobs have been opened up to all races for over 50 years. There is no justification for AA in hiring.
For college admissions it was a different goal. The goal is not to rectify past wrongs. It is to achieve campus 'diversity'. White students cannot learn unless there are black students around them. Diversity enriches everyone. And the only way to achieve it is to admit unqualified minorities.
In hiring it was designed to right past wrongs for individual blacks ...not blacks in general.
IE, if blacks couldn't be police officers in BR in 1964 and then they could starting in 1965, none of them would have seniority for promotions for 20 years. So, aff action said '10 promotions go the the 8 whites with most seniority and 2 blacks with the most among newly hired blacks.
Well, now jobs have been opened up to all races for over 50 years. There is no justification for AA in hiring.
For college admissions it was a different goal. The goal is not to rectify past wrongs. It is to achieve campus 'diversity'. White students cannot learn unless there are black students around them. Diversity enriches everyone. And the only way to achieve it is to admit unqualified minorities.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:45 am to volod
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In the past, I used to post on the OT concerning my college situation. And I posted ad nauseum. You would have thought that the person posting was whiny and obsessed. And you would have been correct.
It took finishing my degree and going out in the real world of work to realize that I was being naive.
I realize that I was wrong and improper in how I handled myself on the OT. I used the board to vent my frustrations when in reality I knew what my problem was and was just being insecure.
The past few years I've been trying to move on and take responsibility. The only way people will respect you is if you respect yourself and them as well.
This post should be stickied as an example of an honest, genuine person sharing his growth and maturation in an environment that is often extremely hostile.
Hats off to you man. I have to say, I'd love to buy you a beer one day. For your willingness to "brave the slings and arrows" of this board.
(Don't get me wrong, this I love the brutal honesty of this board, it's why I spend so much time here.)
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:47 am to Eli Goldfinger
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It’s almost as if affirmative action is a racist policy.
Almost....it is without a doubt a racist policy. But liberals believe two wrongs make a right in their minds.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:13 am to volod
Get
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:14 am to volod
It's a statistically quantifiable fact (read Charles Murray's Bell Curve), that African Americans possess a substantially lower IQ than caucasians and Asians. At least 2. maybe 3 standard deviations lower. This is a profound difference, and while we can all debate the reasons for such a gap (smaller cranial volume, poor diets, poverty, high levels of testosterone combined with low impulse control, etc) the facts remain that blacks are mostly unable to keep up in an ever complex technologically based society.
So affirmative action will not work. If there were any merit to the idea, we would have seen by now at least one Nobel laureate in the hard sciences (maths, chemistry, physics) or even literature.
Also, to the small number of "gifted" blacks, AA does them a major disservice by paternalistically sending the virtue signal that they need that extra bit of help.
So affirmative action will not work. If there were any merit to the idea, we would have seen by now at least one Nobel laureate in the hard sciences (maths, chemistry, physics) or even literature.
Also, to the small number of "gifted" blacks, AA does them a major disservice by paternalistically sending the virtue signal that they need that extra bit of help.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:41 am to jimmyb1234
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paternalistically sending the virtue signal that they need that extra bit of help.
Nothing tells a black that they are black more than affirmative action. Until their leaders decide to abandon this preference and privilege, others will always question their legitimacy.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:56 am to volod
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In all fairness, their are plenty of minorities who earn things legitimately. But AA ironically hurts them as it calls into question whether they actually earned it or was it an agenda. Seeking agendas isn't profitable, as Hollywood is finding out the hard way.
As I am getting older, I'm starting to get red pilled more on jobs and politics.
I don't know if you've already gone down the rabbit hole, but I would encourage you to seek out and read everything by Dr. Thomas Sowell. You may not agree with everything, but he has been one of the most adamant, anti-AA advocates for these exact reasons.
Much of my thinking has been informed on this issue by Dr. Sowell's writing. Certainly, I think folks should be giving thought as to how to open doors for folks, but as the entire concept of Affirmative Action has matured it just continues to reinforce the notion that blacks are inferior, fragile, inadequate and need special assistance.
Nonsense. It was nonsense then and it is even more so now, with blacks having risen to serve at the highest levels of government, the military and industry.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 10:59 am
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