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re: I don't understand some states abortion laws not having an exception for rape and incest
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:02 pm to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:02 pm to I-59 Tiger
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so, if your sister or daughter, girlfriend, etc, was raped and that 2% chance of pregnancy materialized, you'd just think, well,shucks. But a life is a life?
Yes, I would. But I also wouldn't just leave them to the wolves. I'd direct them to pregnancy centers, run by Christian organizations, who deal in helping guide women through those very pregnancies. I'd let them know that I am there for them but would also remind them that it is a human life that grows inside of their body. If they wanted to keep the baby and raise it as their own, I'd be 100% in favor of it; if they wanted to put the baby up for adoption - same deal.
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:03 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:You're not getting it. What is the pro-life's side best, and really only argument against abortion? The life of the child as an innocent victim. Rape and incest do not play a part in that. If you grant those exceptions, you've just gutted their best argument.
so, if your sister or daughter, girlfriend, etc, was raped and that 2% chance of pregnancy materialized, you'd just think, well,shucks. But a life is a life?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:03 pm to I-59 Tiger
There is a very hidden secret that a left wing social worker told me about. Incest has a taboo racial component.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:03 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:Is a life less valuable as one born of incest or rape as compared to one born of hot, steamy unprotected sex between a husband and a wife?
Why? Even if it is 1% why not take care of that from the onset? There has to be more to this. I hate how states like Illinois and NY passed bills allowing abortion up until a due date. But what am I missing on other states having zero exceptions for rape and incest?
Oh, who am I kidding. Married couples don't have hot, steamy sex!
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:03 pm to I-59 Tiger
Simple solution, if a woman is raped, she should just automatically go take a plan B pill. If that doesn’t work, travel too a state that can make it happen.
I’m pro-life except for rape, what woman would want to raise a child from such a life altering experience With the trauma of a legit rape case. I would understand not wanting a child from a psychopath, demonic rapist neither
I’m pro-life except for rape, what woman would want to raise a child from such a life altering experience With the trauma of a legit rape case. I would understand not wanting a child from a psychopath, demonic rapist neither
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:04 pm to I-59 Tiger
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so, if your sister or daughter, girlfriend, etc, was raped and that 2% chance of pregnancy materialized, you'd just think, well,shucks. But a life is a life?
If your steadfast belief is that a life is a life, then the circumstances surrounding the conception are immaterial to that position.
I'm not saying that is necessarily MY position. But I can appreciate that position
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:04 pm to I-59 Tiger
Murder is murder
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:05 pm to I-59 Tiger
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on other states having zero exceptions for rape and incest?
Basically, because some women would lie about rape or incest to be able to get an abortion, the women who aren't lying end up having to carry the baby to full term, give birth, and then either send it into an overloaded and abuse-ridden foster care system or raise it for 18 years at least.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:06 pm to AlxTgr
quote:If they concede this point, they find themselves in the old joke ... we've already established what you are (in this case, pro-Choice rather than a whore). Now we are just negotiating the details ("exactly when does that "most innocent life" CEASE to matter?" vs "price").
What is the pro-life's side best, and really only argument against abortion? The life of the child as an innocent victim. Rape and incest do not play a part in that. If you grant those exceptions, you've just gutted their best argument.
One concession, and they are no-longer TRULY "pro-Life."
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:07 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Why?
Murder of an innocent person is not a legitimate response to something someone else did to you.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:07 pm to I-59 Tiger
In what other contexts do we sentence someone who is innocent to death for the actions of another?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:07 pm to RollTide1987
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I'd direct them to pregnancy centers, run by Christian organizations, who deal in helping guide women through those very pregnancies.
This is lost among many people. There are thousands of women who want a kid but are unable to bear children and would jump at the opportunity to take a child off some young mother. Gladly.
Next problem though is adoption bureaucracy. It’s terrible.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:08 pm to AggieHank86
You're absolutely right. It's tough to have morality, principles. It's easier to just not.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:08 pm to Alt26
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I'm not saying that is necessarily MY position. But I can appreciate that position
Be careful, people can't understand seeing another point of view here.
I understand the pro abortion position completely when I look at it from the other perspective. If you don't think its alive at that point, who cares?
The main logical problem with that line of thinking is that you end up having to try to make a rule about when a fetus/baby is or isn't alive, so at some point you're deciding whether its protected or not based on literal seconds passing between 11:59 and midnight.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:08 pm to AlxTgr
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You're not getting it. What is the pro-life's side best, and really only argument against abortion? The life of the child as an innocent victim. Rape and incest do not play a part in that. If you grant those exceptions, you've just gutted their best argument.
It's the "best argument" because it's the truth.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:09 pm to I-59 Tiger
Well it boils down to is the unborn a human being, or just a lump of tissue.
If it’s a human being then why should they be killed because the mother or father raped or had incest with the other parent. The only exception should be self defense, aka “the life of the mother is truly threatened”.
If it’s just tissue the abortion should be legal for any and all reasons, and a case can be made for AFTER the birth since there is no difference in the tissue a day befor or a day after!
If it’s a human being then why should they be killed because the mother or father raped or had incest with the other parent. The only exception should be self defense, aka “the life of the mother is truly threatened”.
If it’s just tissue the abortion should be legal for any and all reasons, and a case can be made for AFTER the birth since there is no difference in the tissue a day befor or a day after!
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:09 pm to AggieHank86
I wonder what % of pregnacies does that happen.Maybee
1 tenth of 1%.
Now tell me how many women would Lie to get an abortion.
1 tenth of 1%.
Now tell me how many women would Lie to get an abortion.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:09 pm to I-59 Tiger
Maybe they should make the punishment for rapes more severe...IDK like life in prison and cutting their parts off.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:10 pm to I-59 Tiger
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so, if your sister or daughter, girlfriend, etc, was raped and that 2% chance of pregnancy materialized, you'd just think, well,shucks. But a life is a life?
Without a doubt, yes. We may give the child up for adoption after birth, but killing the child is not an option.
Even if you think this exception should be allowed, why would you want someone you love to live with the guilt of an abortion for the rest of their lives on top of having to live with the memory of this terrible thing that happened to them?
Unlike the abortion-loving harpies you see on TV, most people have deep, painful guilt after having an abortion. It isn't just harmful to the child.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:12 pm to tigafan4life
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Maybe they should make the punishment for rapes more severe...IDK like life in prison and cutting their parts off.
Death, imo. The people who believe killing an unborn child is an acceptable response to rape should surely be okay with killing the actual rapist.
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