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I don't understand some states abortion laws not having an exception for rape and incest

Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:46 pm
By and large I was pleased with the court's decision Friday. But in Alabama -- as of a law passed in 2019 which is now in effect, there is no provision/exception for rape and incest.

Why? Even if it is 1% why not take care of that from the onset? There has to be more to this. I hate how states like Illinois and NY passed bills allowing abortion up until a due date. But what am I missing on other states having zero exceptions for rape and incest?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:47 pm to
This isn’t a serious question. It’s a purposeful misunderstanding of the arguments surrounding the issue.
Posted by Amadeo
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:49 pm to
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By and large I was pleased with the court's decision Friday.

Agree
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But what am I missing on other states having zero exceptions for rape and incest?

Again agree. That's a bit extreme for me.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:49 pm to
LINK So this is a lie?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26434 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:49 pm to
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But what am I missing on other states having zero exceptions for rape and incest?



Nothing. The elected representatives of the citizens of those states chose not to have those exceptions. If the citizens of the state support those exceptions, they should lobby their legislators or vote for someone else who supports adding them.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:50 pm to
You really don’t understand why there’s no exception for rape or incest in an abortion law?

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:50 pm to
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what am I missing on other states having zero exceptions for rape and incest?
If one actually BELIEVES that "abortion is murder," the identity of the father is basically irrelevant.

Just like the "moment of conception" advocates, who oppose even the "morning after" pill. They believe "life begins at conception," and they make no exceptions.

I honestly have more respect for these folks than for the wishy-washy "pro-Life" folks who make exception after exception ... and thereby move themselves further and further along the "slippery slope" toward being "pro-Choice," all while attacking pro-Choice folks as the spawn of Satan. The extent of their disingenuity is staggering.

They oppose wearing a miniskirt as immodest, but claim that THEIRS is not a miniskirt because it is one inch longer than yours.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted by SlickRickerz
Member since Oct 2018
2290 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:50 pm to
Listen, if the only way to have an abortion was to claim “rape”, they will claim it, regardless if it was or wasn’t. Their is no consequences for a women to file a false rape case on a man, if the only option for an abortion was rape, they will claim they were raped. Innocent men would constantly be fighting for their lives in a courtroom over false rape cases because a liberal wanted to terminate her pregnancy. The politicians knew this and that’s why they didn’t allow rape, they weren’t going to see men constantly get accused falsely.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
5621 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:51 pm to
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But what am I missing on other states having zero exceptions for rape and incest?
They don't want abortion in their state, period.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16511 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:52 pm to
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LINK So this is a lie?


This is what it says

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she expects no exceptions for rape or incest will be considered until Alabama’s next legislative session begins in March 2023.


It just says no exceptions will be considered until March 2023.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71471 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:53 pm to
Sexual assault and rape should be mandatory reporting by victim and witnesses. If not, it didn’t happen.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26434 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:54 pm to
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Sexual assault and rape should be mandatory reporting by victim and witnesses. If not, it didn’t happen.

There's no way you believe that.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65114 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:57 pm to
Because a life is a life, no matter who the father is. There are many videos out there that you can watch showing children of women who were raped talking about how they were glad their mothers let them live to be born into this world. Abortions that were spawned by pregnancies that were the direct result of rape or incest are extremely rare. Something like 98% of all abortions are done as a matter of convenience.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:57 pm to
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Sexual assault and rape should be mandatory reporting by victim and witnesses. If not, it didn’t happen.
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There's no way you believe that.

You have been here too long for that level of naivete.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30037 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:58 pm to
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I don't understand some states abortion laws not having an exception for rape and incest


because 99% of the time its just a lie like systemic racism, just a catch word to skirt around the rules if you use the magic word
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:59 pm to
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Because a life is a life, no matter who the father is.


so, if your sister or daughter, girlfriend, etc, was raped and that 2% chance of pregnancy materialized, you'd just think, well,shucks. But a life is a life?
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22943 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:00 pm to
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If one actually BELIEVES that "abortion is murder," the identity of the father is basically irrelevant.



In todays world, unfortunately, the 1-2%ers continue fricking it up for everyone else.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28381 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:01 pm to
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Listen, if the only way to have an abortion was to claim “rape”, they will claim it, regardless if it was or wasn’t. Their is no consequences for a women to file a false rape case on a man, if the only option for an abortion was rape, they will claim they were raped. Innocent men would constantly be fighting for their lives in a courtroom over false rape cases because a liberal wanted to terminate her pregnancy. The politicians knew this and that’s why they didn’t allow rape, they weren’t going to see men constantly get accused falsely.


Exactly.

Rape is an absolutely disgusting crime. I can't imagine the physical, and moreso mental pain it causes a woman who has been raped. That said, if conception via rape is a "loophole" left in an abortion ban law it is guaranteed to be exploited because it will often be unfeasible to implement.

Rape CONVICTIONS generally take at least several months, often well over a year to reach. The child would almost assuredly be born before a conviction is reach. A "rape exception" is really an exception for ALLEGATIONS of rape. While we would all hope this wouldn't be the case, if a woman in a state that bans abortion becomes pregnant and absolutely does not want to have the baby it is not out of the question to think she could become desperate and claim the child was conceived via rape as a means to allowing her to get an abortion. Even if ultimately the charges of rape are dismissed, or the accused is held not guilty, the child would have already been aborted. It is not like the pregnancy can be put on hold to see the outcome of a rape charge.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6189 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:01 pm to
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There's no way you believe that.



When it comes to taking a human life for a cause, the least that should be expected is that a police report is filed and some proof from the accuser
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
5621 posts
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:02 pm to
Abortion cannot be performed without the political chaos. And that's the fault of the pro-abortionists. Forget individuals with false rape accusations. You don't think leftist abortion orgs will abuse that on a massive systemic scale? They will encourage it blatantly and proudly flood the system. That will be their foot in the door to stay present and keep fighting tooth and nail politically and litigiously until abortion on demand is de facto restored again. And that far outweighs the relatively few legitimate rape/incest. If it's sad for those few in those states, they can blame the leftist abortion demon apparatus. Hopefully the legislatures continue to understand what they are up against, and unlike OP don't naively think laws just operate perfectly in a vacuum
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