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I challenge any Democrat to prove me wrong on any part of Trump's successful presidency.

Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by BET
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:42 am
Trump's presidency puts both Obama and Joe's(kamala included) presidency under the bench. He are some points of interest that the left would not have any Democrat know about when it comes to policy. Challenge me!

Trump had

an unprecedented economic boom

Middle class Tax breaks

massive deregulation(less govt control for you real idiots)

Fair and reciprocal trade

American energy independence

Investing in American working families

Did a good job on the China virus.(yet the crazy libs use smoke and mirrors to blame a supposed uncontrolled virus on Trump)

Great healthcare for Americans.

Revamped the judiciary system

Achieved a secure border

Restored American leadership across the world

Massive rebuild of military

Served and protected our veterans

Made communities safer

Religious liberty

Actually safe guarded the actual envirnment

Expanded educational opportunities

Fought the opioid crisis


Yes this is what they don't want you to know. If your so indoctrinated to believe he wasn't the best presidency in all of our life times, they you were bairned washed by the left. All of these points threaten their 1. Power and 2. Their pockets. Prove me wrong.



Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:44 am to
There are Democrats on this board?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:51 am to
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an unprecedented economic boom


he lost jobs during his Presidency.

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Middle class Tax breaks


Small middle class tax breaks coupled with huge upper class breaks.

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Did a good job on the China virus.


Freezer trailers.

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Served and protected our veterans



Called them suckers and losers and insulted multiple veterans and their families

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Religious liberty


Muslim ban

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Made communities safer


Crime went up under Trump. Biden has done great work bringing the Trump crime wave down.
Posted by cwil1
Member since Oct 2023
907 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:52 am to
Can’t take a guy talking about “indoctrination” seriously. As he tunes into Fox news, his twitter algorithm echo chamber, and Tucker Carlson.

Posted by MBGamecock
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:52 am to


There is no way you believe anything you just wrote.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
24809 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:56 am to
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he lost jobs during his Presidency.


If you took out the losses from about March 2020 to August 2020, would he still have a cumulative net negative from his tenure?

I honestly don’t know the answer, but I think that should be considered.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
24809 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:57 am to
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American energy independence


Kind of a weird phrase. However, yes, we became a net exporter of total petroleum products under his Presidency…and we still are.
Posted by Adam Banks
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Member since Sep 2009
34630 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:58 am to
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challenge any Democrat to prove me wrong on any part of Trump's successful presidenc



I’m not a democrat but I’ll give it a shot.


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an unprecedented economic boom




The last year of his Presidency the economy was shut down to the point he had to give massive handouts.

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Made communities safer

Our major cities were literally on fire the last year of his Presidency

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Revamped the judiciary system



His greatest achievement in my eyes. With that said 50% of the country hates this.

Purely an eye of the beholder statement


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Did a good job on the China virus.(yet the crazy libs use smoke and mirrors to blame a supposed uncontrolled virus on Trump)



Pure subjective.



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Investing in American working families



His handouts started the runaway inflation we see today.






3 good years one REALLY BAD year. The bad year being the last taste in peoples mouth.



I’m voting for him.


Just showing you that not everyone would give him an A++++ like you do and have legitimate points to argue.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Member since Nov 2012
10111 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:58 am to
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If you took out the losses from about March 2020 to August 2020, would he still have a cumulative net negative from his tenure?

I honestly don’t know the answer, but I think that should be considered.


BLS.GOV

After looking at that chart, i'd say Covid was pretty much the sole reason.
Posted by TJack
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:01 pm to
Paid
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:03 pm to
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BamaAtl


I won’t insult your intelligence by accusing you of believing anything you just posted.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
20893 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:06 pm to
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The last year of his Presidency the economy was shut down to the point he had to give massive handouts.


Did Trump shut it down, or was it the Governors?

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Our major cities were literally on fire the last year of his Presidency


Again, is this the job of the President or local authorities?

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His handouts started the runaway inflation we see today.



If people are forced to stop working because the states shut them down how are they supposed to live?





Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:06 pm to
Feelings matter
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
117998 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:11 pm to
You’re ignoring that Trump handed over the country to the gentle hands of this guy in 2020:

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:12 pm to
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There is no way you believe anything you just wrote.


I don't believe any of it - because I don't have to.

Facts don't require our belief, they just are.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
117998 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:13 pm to
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Did Trump shut it down, or was it the Governors?


You act as if I don’t have a memory.

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:14 pm to
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If you took out the losses from about March 2020 to August 2020


If your grandmother had wheels she could have been a bike.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2393 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:27 pm to
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Great healthcare for Americans.


He got rid of the insurance coverage mandate, and worked towards lowering some drug prices. Good things to do, but I'm not sure that equates to "Great Healthcare".

Our healthcare system is still seriously broken.

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Achieved a secure border


You should rephrase that. Our border was more secure under Trump, but it wasn't secure.

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Restored American leadership across the world


That one is hard to quantify, but I don't buy it. Isolationism dies not create leadership. Withdrawing the US from treaties and threatening the stability of NATO just makes us untrustworthy.

Thst said, I applaud him for getting our NATO allies to pony up some cash.

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Actually safe guarded the actual envirnment


We actually need you to explain how he actually did this. Setting aside climate change issues (which he had a terrible record on, but who cares?), what did he actually do?

FTR, I don't support either of the candidates this year. At all. I cannot see how anyone is excited to cast their vote in November.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
28335 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:47 pm to
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an unprecedented economic boom


As written this is inaccurate since unprecedented means it never happened before. Over the course of US history 2016-early 2020 was not the largest economic expansion and thus not unprecedented. Clean up the language and you have a better point.

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American energy independence


Again language kills this. To be energy-independent a country would not have to import any "energy". Due to a mismatch in refinery capacity and crude grade produced in the US we still had to import oil thus not energy independent. A better way to express the idea is "net exporter of energy" but that doesn't sound as cool so "people" grabbed onto energy independently which is factually inaccurate.


The list is full of arguable positions, I just picked two of the easiest to attack. I wouldn't take your list to a less forgiving venue hoping to defend it. It needs a lot more work and precision otherwise you will be mired in an endless wave of factual and pedantic debates that will dilute your point down to nothing in mere minutes.

Posted by BET
Member since Jul 2024
1390 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:52 pm to
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an unprecedented economic boom


he lost jobs during his Presidency.
China virus as usual to blame Trump. Sir you are incorrect. Your just another who is brain washed into believing this from the left. Here are the facts. Prove me wrong with correct fact checks(no media sources)

America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.
Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.
Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.
Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.
Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April.
Small business confidence hit a new high.
Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006.
Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy.
Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country.
Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.

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Middle class Tax breaks


Small middle class tax breaks coupled with huge upper class breaks.
once again you couldn't be further from the truth and I'm middle class and could careless why or how much a rich person makes. It's "his/her" money tbw. What part of that you don't understand. Your brainwashed by left. You were that guy when you were a kid that got mad at the kid next door because he had a kite and you didn't

Passed $3.2 trillion in historic tax relief and reformed the tax code.

Signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in history.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Doubled the standard deduction – making the first $24,000 earned by a married couple completely tax-free.
Doubled the child tax credit.
Virtually eliminated the unfair Estate Tax, or Death Tax.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top 1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or new investments in the United States.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
Lower investment cost and higher capital returns led to faster growth in the middle class, real wages, and international competitiveness.
Jobs and investments are pouring into Opportunity Zones.

Created nearly 9,000 Opportunity Zones where capital gains on long-term investments are taxed at zero.
Opportunity Zone designations have increased property values within them by 1.1 percent, creating an estimated $11 billion in wealth for the nearly half of Opportunity Zone residents who own their own home.
Opportunity Zones have attracted $75 billion in funds and driven $52 billion of new investment in economically distressed communities, creating at least 500,000 new jobs.
Approximately 1 million Americans will be lifted from poverty as a result of these new investments.
Private equity investments into businesses in Opportunity Zones were nearly 30 percent higher than investments into businesses in similar areas that were not designated Opportunity Zones.

Prove me wrong with facts. You cant


This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 12:53 pm
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