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re: I Can't Hold Back On This Any Longer; For Those Who Mock & Ridicule DOGE - TELL ME WHY
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:54 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 3/10/25 at 11:54 am to 4cubbies
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Semantics games.
It's not, he can't fire anyone
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And any defense of DOGE is just an opinion with no truth to it whatsoever.
The defense of DOGE is they are finding corruption and waste. Argue how DOGE is only for benefiting the rich and not the middle class or poor.
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So you agree that they haven't done jack shite about the DoD.
Hegseth has already called for an outside audit and has asked Musk to do it. Musk has agreed to do it. Just b/c it may or may not have been started this early doesn't mean it's not happening. As to whether they have done jackshit regarding DoD, I don't know yet.
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Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:08 pm to Mushroom1968
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Hegseth has already called for an outside audit and has asked Musk to do it.
This raises red flags. Why would someone be petitioning Elon Musk to perform an audit of a gargantuan organization? What audits has he actually performed?
Tweeting about a line-item of spending isn't an audit.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:09 pm to gaetti15
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the administration just started with an RIF then probies would be the first to go and you wouldn't have these issues with the courts.
Bless your heart son, they could have been caught with fort knox under their arm (maybe they have) and they would still have judges firing off TROs.
And yes the office of PERSONNEL management is where it should have started. They had 100s of people preparing for this and probably 100 labor lawyers, but you and a rogue judge know better.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:10 pm to KCT
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Do you think some opponents of DOGE would hold a different view if, say, Ron DeSantis were President?
What on earth is wrong with you people
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:14 pm to AggieHank86
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My concern is with the IMPLEMENTATION. They threw open a door and fired a blunderbuss into the room, probably doing as much damage as good. They should be using a scalpel, not a blunderbuss.
And how do you know this. Just your non bias opinion? And what part of 34 trillion dollars in debt do you not understand? It's past the time to fire up a chainsaw.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:19 pm to KCT
It’s 2-fold.
1. They’re the ones benefiting and perpetrating it
2. TDS. Even if they agree with the idea of it, they don’t trust Trump with the responsibility despite no reason not to trust him with it.
The Elon hate is a separate issue. He’s simply a proxy for their Trump hate. They realize the 10 years of attacks on Trump have not worked and he’s impervious to it.
1. They’re the ones benefiting and perpetrating it
2. TDS. Even if they agree with the idea of it, they don’t trust Trump with the responsibility despite no reason not to trust him with it.
The Elon hate is a separate issue. He’s simply a proxy for their Trump hate. They realize the 10 years of attacks on Trump have not worked and he’s impervious to it.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:21 pm to AggieHank86
quote:You obviously haven’t dealt with our government. Throwing a grenade in the room is the only way you can get anything done.
My concern is with the IMPLEMENTATION. They threw open a door and fired a blunderbuss into the room, probably doing as much damage as good. They should be using a scalpel, not a blunderbuss.
Your “surgical” approach would require a 5 year study for their 10 year plan. Since it’s out of date by the time it might be able to start, the process restarts, and needs more funding. So not only does nothing get done, it costs more.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:21 pm to 4cubbies
All actions seem to be taken impulsively, without thought of long-term implications
They are systematically going through each agency, 435 takes a while. Judging by USAID they are being very precise.
The motivation for cuts is preserving the tax cuts for the rich and corporations that will be locked in later this year, not helping the middle class or Americans who are not already wealthy
Musk claims to be anti corruption but fired all the inspectors general who provide that oversight
DOGE doesn't have the authority to reallocate congressional spending, so even if all the halts they've put in place or gotten Trump to put in place survive judicial scrutiny - what actually happens to that money? DOGE doesn't know nor does it have the authority to spend that money.
The most obvious place to look for waste and corruption is the Dept of Defense. The DoD has NEVER been able to pass an audit. But Musk is focused on USAID instead. why?
Trying to explain why the F-35 cost 2 trillion dollars is a wee bit more difficult to sell to the American public than condoms for Africa, sex changes for mice, and trans dancing in S America. Once they do the easy sell on the latter, they will, trust me they will attack the former.
They are systematically going through each agency, 435 takes a while. Judging by USAID they are being very precise.
The motivation for cuts is preserving the tax cuts for the rich and corporations that will be locked in later this year, not helping the middle class or Americans who are not already wealthy
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I love this often repeated argument. If you give 100 tax cut and the top 10% are paying 80% of the taxes......shouldnt they be getting 80% of the cut. Or are you going to rip them off on the cut as well?
Musk claims to be anti corruption but fired all the inspectors general who provide that oversight
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The same ones who oversaw 2 trillion in waste, what were they watching, telenovas?
DOGE doesn't have the authority to reallocate congressional spending, so even if all the halts they've put in place or gotten Trump to put in place survive judicial scrutiny - what actually happens to that money? DOGE doesn't know nor does it have the authority to spend that money.
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DOGE has said repeatedly, repeatedly, did I say repeatedly, they advise the agencies they have no authority.
The most obvious place to look for waste and corruption is the Dept of Defense. The DoD has NEVER been able to pass an audit. But Musk is focused on USAID instead. why?
Trying to explain why the F-35 cost 2 trillion dollars is a wee bit more difficult to sell to the American public than condoms for Africa, sex changes for mice, and trans dancing in S America. Once they do the easy sell on the latter, they will, trust me they will attack the former.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:21 pm to 4cubbies
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This raises red flags.
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Why would someone be petitioning Elon Musk to perform an audit of a gargantuan organization?
He wants waste and corruption looked into. Why would he not ask him to do it?
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What audits has he actually performed?
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Tweeting about a line-item of spending isn't an audit.
Tweeting is for transparency. You can read those Tweets you complain about and they will tell you what has all been audited.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yep, my only issue with the fed cuts is that they went after new hires and not the Obama era bureacrats who are THE problem.
When you close down agencies....they will go as well. 83% of USAID employees are not on probation.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:27 pm to AggieHank86
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My concern is with the IMPLEMENTATION. They threw open a door and fired a blunderbuss into the room, probably doing as much damage as good. They should be using a scalpel, not a blunderbuss.
Here are some facts:
1. Government employees are retiring and quitting instead of turning over records and files.
2. Many cases (within the treasury) there are NO records. Just checks going out.
3. There are only 2 years until midterms. You don’t have time to go slow.
Our country is bankrupt (morally and financially). The vast majority of Americans hate the government and are ready for a revolution.
Either Trump will start the revolution legally, or he will get out of the way and it will start soon enough organically.
Most people who hate Trump don’t understand why he is popular. It has nothing to do with him as a person but rather he is the first candidate who said what many of us feel every day. Removing Trump won’t change the momentum of what is happening in America.
We are all sick and tired of supporting a system that hates us and tells us we are the selfish ones.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:29 pm to AggieHank86
Explain the difference between DOGE and the border being thrown open in '21!
And do your best to not bullshite and lie to us about it.
And do your best to not bullshite and lie to us about it.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:31 pm to Mushroom1968
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He wants waste and corruption looked into. Why would he not ask him to do it?
Arguments can be made the Musk is corrupt has benefited from wasteful spending. He also doesn't know how to perform an audit, just like most of us wouldn't. I wouldn't expect anyone to tap me to perform an audit either.
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Tweeting is for transparency
It's to get attention.
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You can read those Tweets you complain about and they will tell you what has all been audited.
So the audits he has performed are all in what he's tweeting? And you consider those tweets to be official and thorough audits?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:33 pm to 4cubbies
Don’t you work for the government?
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:35 pm to KCT
The fact that you asked for specifics tanks their arguments. They spout shite visited up by Rachel Maddow and somehow feel like they are smart. That’s like changing your shirt when you shut your pants.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:43 pm to 4cubbies
Make up your mind. You’re pissed they have tried to cut and yet pissed they haven’t cut all at the same time.
For those complaining about there is a process, the process is the problem. There have been so many rules and regulations made concerning hiring and firing that nothing can get done. The bureaucrats have made change impossible. The bureaucracy, above all else, protects the bureaucracy.
For those complaining about there is a process, the process is the problem. There have been so many rules and regulations made concerning hiring and firing that nothing can get done. The bureaucrats have made change impossible. The bureaucracy, above all else, protects the bureaucracy.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 12:49 pm to 4cubbies
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Arguments can be made the Musk is corrupt has benefited from wasteful spending.
Let’s hear those arguments
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It's to get attention
We can agree to disagree
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He also doesn't know how to perform an audit, just like most of us wouldn't
How would you know? Also he’s the head of DOGE, DOGE isn’t just Elon Musk. He has people working under him
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:00 pm to Bwmdx
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You’re pissed they have tried to cut and yet pissed they haven’t cut all at the same time.
I'm not pissed about any of this.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:14 pm to Mushroom1968
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Let’s hear those arguments
First, he bought his position in the government.
Musk businesses have been investigated or fined by several regulatory agencies including the CFPB, the SEC and FAA. Six Musk companies have been investigated or fined 32 times by 11 agencies
Since DOGE was formed, Trump has fired ethics and corruption watchdogs, including the head of the office of government ethics (OGE) and at least 18 inspectors general who uncover abuses like that one's Musk's companies enjoyed.
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How would you know? Also he’s the head of DOGE, DOGE isn’t just Elon Musk. He has people working under him
Don't you think we would know if he's completed an audit before? Why would he keep that a secret?
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He has people working under him
I haven't seen any accountants on staff. I saw a 24 year old business analyst so maybe she can perform audits? But one 24 year old is not equipped to audit the Department of Defense.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 1:17 pm to Clyde Tipton
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They had the perfect opportunity to respond directly to DOGE justifying their job with 5 bullet points. I would have taken that opportunity to not only list 5 accomplishments, but to also justify my position in a detailed post script format.
They don’t just want 5 bullet points. They want 5 things and they need to be explained. My friend that works for the VA said it took her 5 pages. I think most people believe it was an email that would take 5 minutes to respond to.
Doge doesn’t read these emails. They have an AI program that breaks them down. Sometimes achieving 1 or 2 things in a week is better than accomplishing 20. Does the AI program properly choose which accomplishments are important and can it decide if 2 is better than 20? Probably not
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 1:19 pm
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