re: I am a conservative who believes the job of teaching is under paid

There isn't a single teacher that retired under 65 that taught me.

I'm definitely for some type of voucher program. If you give the freedom to administrators to run their own schools then there should also be a way to hold them accountable.

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There isn't a single teacher that retired under 65 that taught me.

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I've found that the teachers that want to retire as quickly as possible, are usually the shitty teachers that shouldn't be teaching.

Most of my best teachers in HS were in their late 60s and 70s.

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There isn't a single teacher that retired under 65 that taught me.

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That isn't because they couldn't.

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Shitty parenting is another problem. It is systemic.

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One cure for this, and one that would benefit the whole poverty empowerment cycle...

Boarding schools for low income kids with the govt. check no longer going to the parent but rather the school. Would take away the incentive for single motherhood in the hood and provide for a better educational environment for the kids, along with ensuring the govt. check intended for the kids benefit actually is used for the kid.

However, as the horror stories of the Indian Schools has shown, intense oversight of the supervisors will be required so the kids and/or the funds are not abused.

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Do you just not pay attention to all the news stories that concern problems with private operators?

Cheating.

Theft.

Mismanagement.

Poor learning outcomes.

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And those schools will close if they have no customers!!

Name the last public school closed that had the same issues. Name it.

Public schools are rife with all those problems and nothing happens.

Keeping government schools has not worked yet. Why would anyone think that maintaining government schools is a good idea?

Amazing you rant about keeping public schools and then you end with a very good example of one small thing that will no doubt end if the school is operated for profit and privately. Things will no value as you say will not be going on.

You wife would make a lot more money if all the schools were competing for her services and she would quickly be kicked to the streets if she couldn't teach.

Name the last government school teacher fired for lack of ability? They just move them around.

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They don't get full pension in Mississippi. you get 2% per year of service and 2.5% after 30 years of service. so in order to get 100% pension of a final years salary in the state of Mississippi you have to teach 46 years.

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Oh boy that's a much better system than here in Alabama, but who retires and gets 100% of their final year's salary for life?

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They don't get full pension in Mississippi. you get 2% per year of service and 2.5% after 30 years of service. so in order to get 100% pension of a final years salary in the state of Mississippi you have to teach 46 years.

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So you can retire at 67-70 with 100% of your salary and benefits?

fricking nice

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And those schools will close if they have no customers!!

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If parents demanded successful schools, we wouldn't be in this pickle. Many parents will not care about those issues because it's 8 hours a day of free babysitting. That doesn't mean we should waste tax dollars that way.

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Name the last public school closed that had the same issues. Name it.

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The RSD is taking over schools all the time. The OPSB is firing charter operators all the time, shutting down the schools and reopening them with new operators.

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Keeping government schools has not worked yet. Why would anyone think that maintaining government schools is a good idea?

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I would argue it works in most of the USA. Hell, how many people on this board send their kids to "government schools" in Texas? Plenty. It even works in a number of LA parishes.

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then you end with a very good example of one small thing that will no doubt end if the school is operated for profit and privately. Things will no value as you say will not be going on.

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I know a number of private school teachers, the paperwork they have to put up with might be slightly (like 5 percent) less than their public school counterparts. Private schools, especially ones run by a diocese/archdiocese, are full of BS as well.

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You wife would make a lot more money if all the schools were competing for her services and she would quickly be kicked to the streets if she couldn't teach.

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Where is this "a lot more money" going to come from? Sure, the schools could be run leaner... but large school districts also benefit from volume pricing, do they not? That's a cost savings that individual private schools won't have. And even if some of them bind together, it's still going to be net expense to the private schools.

This idea that there is a giant pot of money for great teachers in the private school system, with vouchers, is a canard.

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Name the last government school teacher fired for lack of ability? They just move them around.

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I know Ascension fires them all the time. Of course, they have a waiting list of new teachers... not all districts have that.

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It is a myth that teachers can't be fired... Many can and do get fired and then find jobs in other areas because we have a shortage of qualified applicants in the state

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Have seen no evidence of this. At least in LA tenure makes firing so arduous a process that no one tries (unless it is a really outrageous problem like stealing or sleeping with a student). No one gets fired for just not being a good enough teacher.

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people that make enough to build up a large retirement account instead of working for 30 years making 25-45 thousand, paying for their own work resources.

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The answer is no one but teachers.

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I guess they could do some other kind of work and "retire" early but they keep working into their 60s because they need the money.

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Everyone works into their 60s, at least. No one is going to feel bad that some teachers work till normal retirement age. They do not have to do that. They have far more options that most of us.