re: I am a conservative who believes the job of teaching is under paid

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That and it's ridiculous how teachers don't assign any value to job security cheap benefits or their pensions. They want to directly compare their salaries to the average salaries of their neighbors and most of their neighbors can be fired with very little effort don't have pensions waiting for them at all and their benefits are more expensive

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You're right it's hard to compare but also consider that a lot of other professions have things like generous 401k matching, bonuses, profit-sharing, etc. I don't think teachers have best in class benefits compared to what's out there. Louisiana teachers, for example, do not have better benefits than Entergy (fortune 500) employees.

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Alas, I suspect that if I can hire a quality teacher in a good school district in a particular place for 45K, that the number to hire that same teacher at a place where getting your arse kicked by one of your students at least once annually is not an insignificant possibility is probably a lot higher than school districts could hope to bear.

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And that's one reason (not the only reason) that urban school districts struggle so much.

When 50 percent of your faculty is crappy teachers who can't get hired anywhere else, and the other 50 percent are TFA types who after two years of trying to change the world, go back to where they came from, you have these issues.

Some of these schools really need hazard pay.

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You'd need a Doctoral to get to 64K in Alabama at the state minimum, but the minimum possible pay is 39K a year with a Bachelor's and that jumps up to 43K in year 3.

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And dancers out of HS make more on a friggin cruise ship..

- All expenses paid
- INS...

There’s apparently a larger demand for that.

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It is also incredibly difficult to fire teachers. For 1 because there isn't enough that goes back to pay or incentives to get people to deal with hellions. 2. beaurocracy.

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There isn’t enough people for most jobs in this country for the bad workers to get fired . If paying teachers more makes the students smarter then why are charter teachers payed less then public schools? We need more schools or we need to break up the schools into 2 groups in each school. Have the better teacher teach the good kids with parents who care and the bad kids with parents that don’t care get the bad teachers .