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re: How to stop SNAP waste fraud and abuse
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:59 am to Wednesday
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:59 am to Wednesday
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1-Make them non-transferable, and contain your photo, just like a freaking Costco membership.
Makes the program more expensive, which you would then complain about.
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2-Encrypt the cards
They are like regular bank cards, require a PIN.
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3-Only allow single ingredient foods.
Not even tuna fish is a single ingredient food. If you do this, however, the price of meat and fruit will go through the roof, as will bags of sugar and flour. Then you will complain during the holidays at how expensive it is for you to make pumpkin pie, cook a turkey, buy steak, or whatever.
I heard a former congessman that was on SNAP early in life talk about things he learned while in Congress. There are things like food trucks that are essentially unregulated. They ring you up for fish or meat, but hand you whatever you actually want. SNAP fraud is like medicare fraud - you will never eliminate it with systematic approaches. You have to investigate it and prosecute it when you find it, case by case.
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You will incentivize healthy farming methods. I would much rather have the government buying food grown regeneratively and with health as a top priority- than subsidizing Little Debbie to make more food chemistry experiments.
This is a pipe dream. You say single ingredient foods, so green beans are going up in price because people will be forced to buy those instead of Doritos, and they are not going to healthy farming methods, because that makes it even more expensive. SNAP is only 11% of the population. The rest of the country will now get more expensive green beans, and to convince them to buy those more expensive green beans, they have to find ways to keep the price as low as possible. That will not lead to healthy farming methods. It will go in the opposite direction.
What you will see is Doritos and sodas go down in price, then all the non-SNAP people will consume more of them as a result. Where does that take us in terms of health?
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You want bread and cookies- fricking bake them.
You just want to punish people for being on SNAP. How does that typically turn out?
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No beverages - except milk and bottled water.
How much more expensive will milk get? That should be great for moms everywhere, getting milk and cereal for their kids. They're going to love your idea.
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There is no reason you should be able to obtain Doritos using government money.
Why not? If your argument is based on public good and the use of tax dollars, looking at the internet I see:
There are over 40 million people with student loans.
Over 11 million SBA loans
1/3 of the population on Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security
According to Forbes, over 90% of of healthcare comes about due to some sort of govt subsidy.
Are you going to apply your logic to over 100 million people or are you just angry at these morons flaunting their EBT card purchases?
These cretins with their tiktok videos have pissed off the entire nation, but the arguments that have followed, stating you can't vote if you get SNAP, or can't buy this or that, are slippery slopes. RFK Jr said he would gladly sign an assault weapons ban if he was president, now he wants to tell you what you can buy if you're on SNAP, all in the name of public health and 'for your own good'. The urge to control your life by those in power will never end, and with so much of the nation getting some type of govt assistance, this is a very dangerous road to go down. If you can't vote while on SNAP, why should you vote while on an SBA loan, or student loan, or a farm loan, or Social Security, housing voucher and so on? They are all forms of dependence and subsidy via tax dollars.
Be careful what you wish for.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 2:17 am to j1897
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Wait till people realize we spend 10x on veterans who sprained their ankle driving a truck in the USA, never seen combat, and we're paying this for life.
2nd degree family was:
- in the army for a year
- drank the whole time, got in multiple DD wrecks over that year without charges
- was never deployed nor saw any actual action
- magically obtained a fracture
- now nets $3,300/month….for life for less than a year of “service” of f’ing around
Talk about infuriating
Posted on 11/18/25 at 2:32 am to Wednesday
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1-Make them non-transferable, and contain your photo, just like a freaking Costco membership. 2-Encrypt the cards 3-Only allow single ingredient foods.
It's a good start but EBT and SNAP but retailers should be limited to retailers that are grocery stores. Convenience stores, fast food restaurants, and the should not be eligible to accept SNAP or EBT. Also, the eligible groceries should be required to have a manned checkout line that SNAP and EBT recipients will be mandated to check out through where ID's and cards can be checked.
If you rely on the social system, you can treated like and live in the social system.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 2:49 am to Wednesday
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1-Make them non-transferable, and contain your photo, just like a freaking Costco membership.
This will not completely solve the problem. Around here, cash buyers will meet with card holders at the store. They walk around and shop for groceries, the card holder pays at the register and the cash is exchanged outside. $300 worth of groceries for $150 and the buyer just rolls the buggy to their car and loads up.
How often it happens I don't know but I know for a fact that it does.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 3:50 am to SNAP
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Be careful what you wish for.
I wish for a way to automatically ban alter accounts then I could have been spared all that crap.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 4:22 am to Wednesday
It is so obvious that there must be something sinister that allowed it to drift so far toward the situation we now endure.
ANY kind of "charity" from the government MUST be viewed as an attempt to isolate the population from their obligation to be kind to one another and let individuals make the decision to use their own hard earned $$ to help out the 'unfortunate.'
What the 'great society' has done is to take away that all too critical aspect of charity away from individual and corrupted it into some great grab bag for enticing people to follow their most sinister impulses and fair use their own willpower to fend for themselves.
The outcome of that "great delusion" has saddled us with generational poverty where entire masses of people think it is their RIGHT to plunder the fruits of others' labor - and to riot when the government largess is not enough. The thought of making their own way is an INSULT to their twisted mental condition.
LBJ + BHO + auto-pen, with assistance from too many RINOs, has almost destroyed American culture - Thank GOD for DJT and his outsized ego who is trying to correct the direction of our future path.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 5:09 am to Wednesday
Great ideas
But that is why your ideas won’t be considered. They don’t want good ideas, that’s the point of it all.
The leaders don’t want reasonable actions and solutions. The fraud and abuse is the point, and there are people who benefit from it.
This is the heart of the issue and just about every other issue we could debate. You have to first start with the premise, “do the people who have the power to fix this, actually want to fix this?”
But that is why your ideas won’t be considered. They don’t want good ideas, that’s the point of it all.
The leaders don’t want reasonable actions and solutions. The fraud and abuse is the point, and there are people who benefit from it.
This is the heart of the issue and just about every other issue we could debate. You have to first start with the premise, “do the people who have the power to fix this, actually want to fix this?”
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 5:33 am
Posted on 11/18/25 at 5:42 am to DMAN1968
My oldest was a cashier at a grocery store in HS, can confirm. The card would get passed back to the next person in line, who handed over cash, which first person would take to the Service Desk for liquor and black and tans. And he was staggered at what they bought. Nothing, absolutely nothing, healthy.
Cut off benefits at two chillruns per baby momma and we would slow the abuse AND lower the crime rate in one generation. BUT, Democrats need this and other handouts to breed up new voters while ensuring they stay down on the plantation. And only staples can be bought, no more sugary soft drinks, steaks, and skrimps.
I hope LBJ is burning in the fires of Hell.
Cut off benefits at two chillruns per baby momma and we would slow the abuse AND lower the crime rate in one generation. BUT, Democrats need this and other handouts to breed up new voters while ensuring they stay down on the plantation. And only staples can be bought, no more sugary soft drinks, steaks, and skrimps.
I hope LBJ is burning in the fires of Hell.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 5:48 am to Wednesday
If we’re going to continue to fund SNAP, it should allow recipients to pick up beans, rice and multi vitamins at the depot. I’ll even throw in a free crock pot annually.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:30 am to Wednesday
How about the more kids you have the LESS money you get.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 7:28 am to BHM
We were on SNAP while I was in Grad school and we ate like kings. We were told to make sure to spend all of our monthly allotment because it was use it or lose it. When I graduated and got a job and off SNAP we had to budget, like we did now. Hello chicken! Goodbye Beef!
Posted on 11/18/25 at 7:34 am to Wednesday
Great ideas.
The photo ID requirement would need some teeth. There will be stores where the photo isn't checked. Maybe stiff fines for those establishments, followed by denial of reimbursement funds for continued infractions.
I've always leaned toward eliminating the stamps altogether and distributing commodities. MREs would work, too. If they're good enough for our military, they're good enough for able-bodied nonworkers.
Something has to be done about the qualification process, as well. It's rampant. So many women never declare the income of the man in the house; nope it's just them, the poor single mom who lies to qualify for stamps, AFDC, Medicaid, housing/utilities/internet/childcare.
My first job out of high school was in a welfare/food stamp office. Back then, recipients had to prove they had a refrigerator and a cooking device or they were denied and directed to a charity. There were also "Welfare Visitors" who randomly visited the homes of recipients to check compliance, but I don't think that's feasible these days. One, it would take an army of "visitors," and two, it would be too dangerous.
The photo ID requirement would need some teeth. There will be stores where the photo isn't checked. Maybe stiff fines for those establishments, followed by denial of reimbursement funds for continued infractions.
I've always leaned toward eliminating the stamps altogether and distributing commodities. MREs would work, too. If they're good enough for our military, they're good enough for able-bodied nonworkers.
Something has to be done about the qualification process, as well. It's rampant. So many women never declare the income of the man in the house; nope it's just them, the poor single mom who lies to qualify for stamps, AFDC, Medicaid, housing/utilities/internet/childcare.
My first job out of high school was in a welfare/food stamp office. Back then, recipients had to prove they had a refrigerator and a cooking device or they were denied and directed to a charity. There were also "Welfare Visitors" who randomly visited the homes of recipients to check compliance, but I don't think that's feasible these days. One, it would take an army of "visitors," and two, it would be too dangerous.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:06 am to j1897
quote:This is so true. My feckless Bil's dad, who was in the Army for all of 4 years, never left the US and served as a cook, he would get a sniffle and instead of going to see a family doctor or clinic, he would go clog up the VA with all the other Vets with a cold.
Wait till people realize we spend 10x on veterans who sprained their ankle driving a truck in the USA, never seen combat, and we're paying this for life.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 8:07 am
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:10 am to AUJACK
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It's a good start but EBT and SNAP but retailers should be limited to retailers that are grocery stores.
I am going to add this as number 3.5
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:11 am to j1897
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Wait till people realize we spend 10x on veterans who sprained their ankle driving a truck in the USA, never seen combat, and we're paying this for life.
This man knows what he's talking about. I see it everyday. I work with guys that are on 100% disability because they broke their hand playing basketball while stationed somewhere. The dude runs every morning and you wouldn't know that he's ever had a scratch on him but he gets $4K a month for life. I've worked with other examples as well. Most of them have "back" issues. I usually give them the benefit of the doubt since they served and I appreciate them for that service, but I get upset when I hear how much they get in disability and not one of them is in a wheelchair or has a prosthetic limb
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:13 am to j1897
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Wait till people realize we spend 10x on veterans who sprained their ankle driving a truck in the USA, never seen combat, and we're paying this for life.
I agree as a fellow veteran with almost 19 years of service (8 years active, 11 guard and one year to retirement from it). I can’t stand seeing former colleagues perfectly functional and able to care for themselves getting 100%. Especially ones who never deployed.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:17 am to Wednesday
Grocery stores make way too much money off SNAP to do the right thing.
The best right thing to do is to not let this be in monetary loaded cards, but in actual food.
Instead of X amount of dollars a week, SNAP recipients would be entitled to like a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, gallon of milk, a pound of sandwich meat, etc a week.
The best right thing to do is to not let this be in monetary loaded cards, but in actual food.
Instead of X amount of dollars a week, SNAP recipients would be entitled to like a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, gallon of milk, a pound of sandwich meat, etc a week.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:22 am to Icansee4miles
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I hope LBJ is burning in the fires of Hell.
LBJ's play is working just as he planned
HOWEVER - perhaps his targeted population may be getting wise to the scam - the DEMs now seem to be relying on ALIENs to boost their census numbers, voter registration rolls, and pawn in their never ending quest to drain more tax $$ into their campaign coffers.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:45 am to Masterag
Cut everything back to 1/4th of current benefits, eliminate the credit card, return to physical food stamps that can only be redeemed for certain items.
Add the stigma of having to go into the store to buy government-sanctioned food.
Add the stigma of having to go into the store to buy government-sanctioned food.
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