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Sentrius
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How the GOP and especially Trump have failed on immigration the past two years

I'm submitting this thread fully aware it will be downvoted and I really don't care as it's time for some constructive criticism and tough love for President Trump's actions on immigration and the open borders snakes he has surrounded himself with and letting himself be snow jobbed by the GOPe crowd and pie in the sky libertarians who support open borders.

A reporter for OANN really laid it out best as it's a damning indictment of Trump's failures that I suspect is from his lack of attention to detail and his obsession with building a wall over everything to a point where other key components of the immigration system really suffers like expanded catch and release, more visas for foreign workers and asylum rules being expanded as well to the point where whole groups of people claiming to be families are showing up at our border.

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I can't overstate how incredibly bad the GOP and Trump have been on immigration over the last two years...

Start w/ the GOP. Paul Ryan is a shill for corporations that want cheap labor and open borders... even worse though he believes in this idiotic libertarian notion that all people in their heart want less government... it's not true.

Paul Ryan made no effort to pass a single piece of Trump's immigration reforms or the wall. In his budgets he expanded catch and release and work visas making the situation all the worse. Mitch McConnell is the same in the Senate.

This is the view that a majority of Republicans in Congress have... do what the donors ask, we always need more cheap labor. Some of the worst offenders - Sen. Tillis, Sen. Gardner, Sen. Cramer, Rep. Gonzalez, Rep. McCaul, Rep. Stefanik and so on.

The other really good Republicans like Paul, Lee, etc... they just don't understand this issue. They fall back to their principles... and good luck winning national elections on that.

So yes, Congress has been bad, but Trump hasn't done anything to push them. His administration have been TRULY TERRIBLE.... it bears repeating. TERRIBLE.
Pompeo has refused to classify the Mexican Drug Cartel as a foreign terrorist organization - a bill Chip Roy sponsored (a great rep!) He has refused to punish Mexico for the opioid crisis. The State Dept. hasn't used their power to fullest to stop both the opioid crisis.

Making things worse is the fact that Pompeo has filled State w/ Bush ppl or Obama ppl. An Obama appointee runs our refugee program. Think about that! Mike Pompeo is no friend to the MAGA agenda.

Nielsen is even worse. She has been openly hostile, firing pro-wall MAGA ppl. The DHS. under Nieslen is worse than Obama's DHS. Now she has a whisper campaign against Lee Francis Cisna, one of the only good ppl in the admin working on immigration

Trump also has a problem w/ his legislative director. First he had Marc Short, a Koch Brothers alum who worked on the Stop Trump campaign in 2016. Short bragged in a politico article how he wasn't pushing Congress to accept any immigration changes Trump campaigned on.

Short now works for Pence. So he once again is far too close to the President.

Short's replacement Shahira Knight was pushed by Gen. Kelly, the man who just gloated about how he would have worked for Hillary and how the wall is stupid! (Kelly also got Nielsen appointed to DHS).

No one was worse at putting bad personnel in places than Johnny DeStefano... use to head PPO and brought Never Trumpers into the admin in droves. He now works w/ Kellyanne Conway.

So without a competent staff that's well qualified for the immigration agenda Trump campaigned on... the admin didn't push for immigration reform, for a wall, to even whip the votes for Congress to support the emergency declaration.

Even worse, the judiciary (namely the 9th circuit) are giving away constitutional rights to illegals like they're candy. We are going to have defacto amensty because of our judges and there's no pushback from Congress or the WH.

Lastly the problem w/ Trump supporters is they're unwillingness to criticize their guy. I get it, he's our quarterback, don't boo him, he's trying... I'm sorry but no. He's caved a lot. With Texas going blue in 10 yrs. or less we don't need cheerleaders we need leaders

Any candidate going into 2020 needs to understand this issue. It's about time the GOP base understands why their party is failing them so miserably on their most important issue.


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Trump needs to remember that he wins when he bullies the GOP, not cower and cave to them at every turn on this issue. It's why he won the nomination in the first place.

I'll just state the obvious here. Trump does not have real institutional control over his administration pushing the immigration agenda he campaigned on and has staffed it with people who do not support it and for some reason has made no efforts to fix it.

Biggest example of that is Trump falling for McConnell and Ryan's lies that he would get his wall if he would just sign this bill or that bill or just wait after a specific election or just wait for the lame duck.

Also, I've been seeing reports that Jared Kushner has been pushing for more visas for foreign workers and more expansions in catch and release. That is not what Trump campaigned on.

Ivanka's husband needs to stick to mideast peace and working trade deals with foreign countries or better yet, just go back to New York.


SOCAL TIGER
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Friend, if you think anyone is going to read that novel, you are sadly mistaken.


Brosef Stalin
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Trump has tried but he has had to deal with the courts overturning his executive orders and of course Congressional Republicans doing nothing. If Congress would act he would not have to go the EO route and could avoid the courts. He just has to assume the Democrats will challenge every EO in the 9th circuit and be prepared for a long fight to get even the simplest things done.


Sentrius
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Friend, if you think anyone is going to read that novel, you are sadly mistaken.



They'll do that and then they'll be wondering why Trump is still campaigning for the wall in 2020 and 2022 and why there's still a crisis on the border.

Trump refuses to bully the GOP on this issue and it has gotten him nowhere.


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tjv305
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I think the GOP gets a lot more of the blame then Trump . But Trump could have left the government shut down . The GOP should have done a better job actually trying to win the immigration battle . They should have had commercials made showing the head members of ice explaining that we need a wall but that changing the immigration laws wouldn’t cost anything and would help the most . They need to make everyone see that democrats are just importing voters .


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Sentrius
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RINOs dont want border security because it will increase labor costs and are willing to conspire with the democrats even at the cost of seats long term to prevent it.



And yet the President is not willing to call out his own party for this and name names here. He's letting the GOP get away with it.

Trump refuses to bully the GOP and staffed his administration with GOPe snakes that support open borders and look what that's gotten him.

After this this pathetic passive aggressive tweet for example, 12 republican senators still voted against him anyway.

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Donald J. Trump

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Republican Senators are overthinking tomorrow’s vote on National Emergency. It is very simply Border Security/No Crime - Should not be thought of any other way. We have a MAJOR NATIONAL EMERGENCY at our Border and the People of our Country know it very well!


GOP primary Trump would've gone much more scorched Earth than this and name republicans to account.


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gthog61
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Well, there are no alternatives.

Maybe he'll accomplish something more eventually.

Nobody else on the national stage wants to. We are being sold out by everybody on the issue.


Jake88
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He's caved a lot.
He's softer than I'd prefer.


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AU_Right
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Biggest example of that is Trump falling for McConnell and Ryan's lies that he would get his wall if he would just sign this bill or that bill or just wait after a specific election or just wait for the lame duck.

One of Trump's biggest mistakes...kind of a double edged sword, He did exactly what he bashed Obama for, which also happened to be his campaign slogan, "drain the swamp". Why would they work with a fella that campaigned on getting rid of them?


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Sentrius
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Well, there are no alternatives.



Trump has direct control over who serves in his administration and yet he's filled it with GOPe snake types and naive libertarians who absolutely disagree with his stance on immigration.

I'll give you an example of this hostility in action in this White House about how they tried to keep Trump from meeting with Angel moms who were opposed to the spending bill he signed last month.

Story as follows.....

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A lot of news broke in the last few days off my twitter account about the angel moms and a meeting with Trump about the border bill. I want to clarify how things actually went down:

Angel moms came to DC early in the week, trying to schedule meetings with Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi.

Schumer's office granted them a meeting, Pelosi's office called the police on them, but Trump's WH respectfully said they couldn't take a meeting.

According to two sources, the order was coming right from Mulvaney to stop a meeting w/ the angel moms. The WH has ways of stopping info from coming to Trump, many members of the WH team who are hostile to the MAGA movement keep information from ever reaching POTUS' desk

With Trump in the dark, Angel Families and their organizers brainstormed how to get POTUS' attention. They floated multiple ideas but time was running out with a majority of them having return flights on home scheduled on Thursday.

They decided upon a press conference outside the WH where they would denounce the border bill. The WH caught wind of this and panicked, it would be horrible optics especially given that they had worked so hard trying to stop criticism from conservative media outlets

Mercedes Schlapp called one of the organizers, asking that they turn around and stated that Trump was fighting for them w/ this bill. The organizer refused to give saying that $1.375 billion wasn't enough for all these dead Americans.

With Mercedes unsuccessful, Kellyanne Conway called saying and also argued that they shouldn't do this to Trump. The fight got heated, words were exchanged, but in the end the Angel Families refused to give up their press conference in front of the White House.

Kellyanne was visibly upset after the conversation, Trump walked in the room and noticed something was wrong. After a week of keeping him in the dark someone relented and told him about the Angel Families.

As the Angel Families rolled near the White House, Trump called the organizer and stated he wanted to meet with them, that he had no idea, and invited them for a meeting at 9:15 AM on Friday.

Most of the Angel Families had left by that point but a few were there. But those that were there were happy to meet Trump. It was Trump's idea to bring them in the rose garden.

One of the more noticeably chatty members of the WH staff was Sylvia Mae Davis, Deputy White House Staff Secretary/ Deputy Assistant to the President, ironically she's one of the most hostile people towards the MAGA movement in the WH.

Trump went around, asking them how illegal aliens stole their loved ones, robbed them of memories and family members, they said after that they were happy he granted them the time but was disappointed they couldn't change his mind on the border bill.

A lot of you want to know about Sylvia Mae Davis. She's the Deputy White House Staff Secretary/ Deputy Assistant to the President - hired by I believe Rob Porter. According to sources in the WH, she's a major road block to anything reaching POTUS' desk on immigration.

Like Porter before her she's known for stopping papers from coming to POTUS' desk, preventing staffers who share the President's view on immigration from getting policy proposals to him.


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davyjones
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Trump refuses to bully the GOP on this issue and it has gotten him nowhere.


I hate your arse and I created two new accounts just for the extra downvotes for you!!

Seriously, re: the quoted material, folks often say this but Ive never seen any follow up suggestion as to what else he's supposed to do tht he's thus far chosen not to.


93and99
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How the GOP and especially Trump have failed on immigration the past two years



I was surprised Trump didn't bash the 12 pro open border Republicans , who were against the emergency order when he vetoed their Liberal crap.

He had a perfect opportunity to totally bash the traitors.

He needs to stop signing spending bills .


WylieTiger
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No shite. If he drew a hard line with the GOP and used EO after EO, he would be labeled a tyrant and dictator. He's trying to let the gov't do it's job, but they can't. At least it shows the public how inept Congress and the circuit courts are.


Upperdecker
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Literally everyone is against Trump except the American people. It’s a nearly impossible battle. He either hires people who lie about their allegiance until it’s too late, or they fall for the corruption of Washington at their first chance at riches


davyjones
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by Upperdecker


This right here will chap an ass:

The POTUS is more than a person, it's a mandate sent by the people, the will of the people. 2 folks run for Pres on an agenda, and the winning candidate carries the winning agenda to Washington. Thus these traitors have suppressed the will of the people. Our system of representative govt has been hijacked and is not working as it's supposed to.


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umop_apisdn
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Never have I seen a poster who used to be considered Rock solid in common sense fall so hard and become so wishy washy in analysis of the current political spectrum.

Is Sentrius Ben Shapiro?


davyjones
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I was thinking Sentrius was making an effort to be critical which is perfectly healthy and good. I dont agree with the opinions, but at least it wasn't the typical baseless crap that the obstructionist drop from between their legs.


Taxing Authority
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How the GOP and especially Trump have failed on immigration the past two years
You can’t lump these togethe. The GOP has succeeded on immigration. Their goal is open borders just like the democrats.



Sentrius
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Never have I seen a poster who used to be considered Rock solid in common sense fall so hard and become so wishy washy in analysis of the current political spectrum.



I will always be more loyal to my political beliefs and desires than I will ever be to a single politician.

If Trump can't get it done or is not doing what's necessary on immigration and refuses to bully the GOP and get the cucks in line, then I will point that out for everyone to see no matter how much they wish it wasn't true.

Trump is the leader of the executive branch. He needs to start acting like it even if it means daddy has to take his belt off and start cracking it at the disobedient children in his administration.

A solid idea for him to start with would be to ban Jared Kushner and Ivanka from having any say on immigration in his administration. They're liberals or at least moderate democrats that is in no uncertain terms MAGA friendly at all.


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