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How should senators be selected?
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:45 am
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Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:48 am to DeBoar
We’ve done an actual lab test with direct elections.
The results haven’t been positive.
The results haven’t been positive.
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 10:49 am
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:48 am to DeBoar
He’s right here. The old way was better
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:48 am to DeBoar
Massie is…. Right. (Damn that hurt)
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:50 am to SallysHuman
I don’t trust the states to select law makers.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:50 am to DeBoar
Since Senators represent the states and not so much the people (which is why all states have equal representation), I am ok putting it back to the states to decide.
I am also ok leaving it the way it is. Ultimately the people still decide either way.
I am also ok leaving it the way it is. Ultimately the people still decide either way.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:50 am to DeBoar
Cage match!
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:51 am to TrueTiger
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We’ve done an actual lab test with direct elections.
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The results haven’t been positive.
No matter how you do it, you’re pulling from the same population and will get the same results.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:51 am to DeBoar
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I don’t trust the states to select law makers
I get it, but do you really trust them less than the people themselves?
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:53 am to UtahCajun
At least I get to pretend like I was part of the decision. I do see both sides and generally for states rights.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:56 am to DeBoar
One of the rare instances where he is correct.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:00 am to AlextheBodacious
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No matter how you do it, you’re pulling from the same population and will get the same results.
Then let’s stop this senate charade and go to a unicameral legislature.
They are all directly elected anyway.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:02 am to DeBoar
they're going to be corrupted no matter how elected.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:04 am to DeBoar
frick Massie for saying something where I have to agree with him.
He's right. The 17th Amendment was an egregious assault on the balance of power in our nation. The House is designed to do the business of the People, while the Senate is empaneled to do the business of the States.
The compromise between the two is the intersection of the competing interests.
If we still had constitutional appointment of Senators by Governors/state legislatures, here's what Gemini says the Senate would look like:
Solid Republican Seats: 56
Solid Democrat Seats: 36
Divided/Split Control: 8
Divided Legislatures: Legislative control is split between parties (such as one party controlling the House and another controlling the Senate, or a tied chamber) in 4 states (e.g., Pennsylvania, Virginia, Minnesota, Michigan).
He's right. The 17th Amendment was an egregious assault on the balance of power in our nation. The House is designed to do the business of the People, while the Senate is empaneled to do the business of the States.
The compromise between the two is the intersection of the competing interests.
If we still had constitutional appointment of Senators by Governors/state legislatures, here's what Gemini says the Senate would look like:
Solid Republican Seats: 56
Solid Democrat Seats: 36
Divided/Split Control: 8
Divided Legislatures: Legislative control is split between parties (such as one party controlling the House and another controlling the Senate, or a tied chamber) in 4 states (e.g., Pennsylvania, Virginia, Minnesota, Michigan).
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:08 am to VoxDawg
Until you have a state like Kentucky which has two Republican senators to where Andy Beshesr gets to chose just like he has certain powers in vacancies. Again hard to trust states even with red legislatures or governors due to state constitutions.
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 11:10 am
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:10 am to DeBoar
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Again hard to trust states even with red legislatures.
No system is perfect, but places like Kentucky are the outlier.
Besides - pass airtight election integrity measures (beginning with, but not limited to SAVE America Act) and folks like Beshear don't get "elected" in the first place.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:12 am to DeBoar
I agree with Massey on this. The purpose of the Senate was to give State governments an equal voice in the national government. Moving to direct election of senators served only to erode the power of state governments and increase the power of the federal government by removing a vital check against it.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:13 am to DeBoar
A Brazilian Breakdance Fighting Tournament live on C-Span seems the obvious answer.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:14 am to DeBoar
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Until you have a state like Kentucky which has two Republican senators to where Andy Beshear gets to choose
Prior to the 17th Amendment, Kentucky's legislature appointed their US senators, not the governor. The Kentucky legislature is currently made up of 80 R representatives and 20 D representatives, and the senate is comprised of 30 R senators and 7 D senators with 1 independent.
I think Kentucky would probably make the right choices based upon that.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:16 am to DeBoar
I would love to see the US Senators elected as our original constitutional framers intended. That indirect method insulated the Senate from public pressure and provided a "filtration" process where state leaders could select the most qualified individuals. It was far better than what we have now.
The campaign money did not exist either.
Abolish the 17th Amendment.
The campaign money did not exist either.
Abolish the 17th Amendment.
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