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re: How should senators be selected?

Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:19 am to
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
79195 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:19 am to
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Abolish the 17th Amendment.

16-20th Amendments were straight trash and we've been worse off for it.

Makes you wonder if those Act of 1871 baws are on to something with their line of thinking.
Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
2232 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:51 am to
You hate this guy so much, you completely miss the point and go full retard (or it's just another day ending in y for you)

Do you need a history lesson?
Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
2232 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:54 am to
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I don’t trust the states to select law makers.


The States select for one house

The people select for the other house


If the States selected the Senators, we would have a strong majority Republican Senate.

ETA: the only thing they missed originally was the means to recall a Senator at the discretion of the State
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 11:56 am
Posted by Ferriday AF
Horn Island
Member since Jul 2023
734 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:54 am to
by the people
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61660 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:55 am to
This thread didn’t go the way you hoped
Posted by Tmo Sabe
GA
Member since Mar 2022
1061 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:57 am to
It's easier to rig 100 Senate elections than all those state legislature elections.

Give the power back to the states.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8645 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:23 pm to
Why did we change our constitution

Big mistake
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
18255 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:25 pm to
I’ve been calling for a repeal of the 17th for years.

Legislatures should appoint them.
Posted by bobaftt1212
Hills of TN
Member since Mar 2013
1421 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:42 pm to
A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again. Looks like Massie found his for the day.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
60347 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:44 pm to
The problem wasn't that states dragged their heels in appointing Senators, it's that there were no repercussions for their dragging their heels.

The 17 Amendment needs to be repealed and replaced with an Amendment mandating that:

-Anyone being considered for nomination to the Senate has to a current state resident, a current registered voter and to have been both for the entirety of the previous 10 years,

-If the legislature has not elected a candidate in 3 months, the authority to do so falls to the state's Governor,

-If the state's Governor does not appoint a Senator within 2 weeks, the authority to do so falls to the ice-President as that position is also the President of the Senate. ***(edited with an better idea provided by Remy)***

That would end the foot-dragging issue which caused the 17th to happen in the first place AND keep the carpet-bagging to a minimum.
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Champs
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Member since Feb 2008
12588 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:46 pm to
through elections where all votes are cast with valid ID
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
27183 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 2:10 pm to
The states are the people. In the states.

I like the primary process much better than political favoritism from governors and other politicians.

You are correct that the senate is for the states. The same way that the governor is for the state.
You can't say that popular votes for governor are for the states and abuse a senate election in the next sentence.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
27604 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 2:15 pm to
The Senate was intended to represent the individual state legislatures and serve at the pleasure of that legislature. Too many state's deadlocked on selecting their senators so they passed the 17th Amendment to make it a popular vote. Big mistake.

Should have just added a mechanism that forced breaking of deadlocks.

Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14754 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 2:22 pm to
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No matter how you do it, you’re pulling from the same population and will get the same results

Not necessarily true.

Take Georgia for example. Based on the makeup of the state legislature, no way Ossoff or Warnock get sent to Washington.

State legislatures selecting senators gets the big out of state money and PAC money out of that part of elections so the senators aren't beholden to anyone but the state house. You also make people pay more attention to local elections. If you live in a state with a nearly 50/50 state legislature, your vote for your local representative can have much bigger reverberations if it also helps decide your senators.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23191 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 2:38 pm to
Repeal the 17th amendment.

Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
2232 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 4:16 pm to
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-If the state's Governor does not appoint a Senator within 2 weeks, the authority to do so falls to the President.


I know it's a matter of semantics, but why not the Vice President since that position is considered the President of the Senate.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
60347 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 5:14 pm to
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I know it's a matter of semantics, but why not the Vice President since that position is considered the President of the Senate.


Damn, that's an excellent idea!
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
32321 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 5:18 pm to
We need term limits and AGE limits.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
24984 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 5:46 pm to
I have no problem with we the people voting for their Senators, the process is fine. It's the results that suck and that can only be blamed on we the people.

Even if we went back to allowing the state Legislatures to choose, we'd still have the same results.
The only hope of changing this is entirely burning down the Department of Education and teaching the younger generations the truth about what America is. Outside of that, we're just placing speed bumps to the inevitable.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61752 posts
Posted on 8/27/26 at 6:13 pm to
Elect the one that raises the most money, then leave em in office till they are dead or incoherent. The same way we do now
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