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re: How should senators be selected?
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:19 am to Timeoday
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:19 am to Timeoday
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Abolish the 17th Amendment.
16-20th Amendments were straight trash and we've been worse off for it.
Makes you wonder if those Act of 1871 baws are on to something with their line of thinking.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:51 am to DeBoar
You hate this guy so much, you completely miss the point and go full retard (or it's just another day ending in y for you)
Do you need a history lesson?
Do you need a history lesson?
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:54 am to DeBoar
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I don’t trust the states to select law makers.
The States select for one house
The people select for the other house
If the States selected the Senators, we would have a strong majority Republican Senate.
ETA: the only thing they missed originally was the means to recall a Senator at the discretion of the State
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:55 am to DeBoar
This thread didn’t go the way you hoped
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:57 am to DeBoar
It's easier to rig 100 Senate elections than all those state legislature elections.
Give the power back to the states.
Give the power back to the states.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:23 pm to DeBoar
Why did we change our constitution
Big mistake
Big mistake
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:25 pm to DeBoar
I’ve been calling for a repeal of the 17th for years.
Legislatures should appoint them.
Legislatures should appoint them.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:42 pm to Timeoday
A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again. Looks like Massie found his for the day.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:44 pm to DeBoar
The problem wasn't that states dragged their heels in appointing Senators, it's that there were no repercussions for their dragging their heels.
The 17 Amendment needs to be repealed and replaced with an Amendment mandating that:
-Anyone being considered for nomination to the Senate has to a current state resident, a current registered voter and to have been both for the entirety of the previous 10 years,
-If the legislature has not elected a candidate in 3 months, the authority to do so falls to the state's Governor,
-If the state's Governor does not appoint a Senator within 2 weeks, the authority to do so falls to the ice-President as that position is also the President of the Senate. ***(edited with an better idea provided by Remy)***
That would end the foot-dragging issue which caused the 17th to happen in the first place AND keep the carpet-bagging to a minimum.
The 17 Amendment needs to be repealed and replaced with an Amendment mandating that:
-Anyone being considered for nomination to the Senate has to a current state resident, a current registered voter and to have been both for the entirety of the previous 10 years,
-If the legislature has not elected a candidate in 3 months, the authority to do so falls to the state's Governor,
-If the state's Governor does not appoint a Senator within 2 weeks, the authority to do so falls to the ice-President as that position is also the President of the Senate. ***(edited with an better idea provided by Remy)***
That would end the foot-dragging issue which caused the 17th to happen in the first place AND keep the carpet-bagging to a minimum.
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 8/27/26 at 1:46 pm to DeBoar
through elections where all votes are cast with valid ID
Posted on 8/27/26 at 2:10 pm to VoxDawg
The states are the people. In the states.
I like the primary process much better than political favoritism from governors and other politicians.
You are correct that the senate is for the states. The same way that the governor is for the state.
You can't say that popular votes for governor are for the states and abuse a senate election in the next sentence.
I like the primary process much better than political favoritism from governors and other politicians.
You are correct that the senate is for the states. The same way that the governor is for the state.
You can't say that popular votes for governor are for the states and abuse a senate election in the next sentence.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 2:15 pm to DeBoar
The Senate was intended to represent the individual state legislatures and serve at the pleasure of that legislature. Too many state's deadlocked on selecting their senators so they passed the 17th Amendment to make it a popular vote. Big mistake.
Should have just added a mechanism that forced breaking of deadlocks.
Should have just added a mechanism that forced breaking of deadlocks.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 2:22 pm to AlextheBodacious
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No matter how you do it, you’re pulling from the same population and will get the same results
Not necessarily true.
Take Georgia for example. Based on the makeup of the state legislature, no way Ossoff or Warnock get sent to Washington.
State legislatures selecting senators gets the big out of state money and PAC money out of that part of elections so the senators aren't beholden to anyone but the state house. You also make people pay more attention to local elections. If you live in a state with a nearly 50/50 state legislature, your vote for your local representative can have much bigger reverberations if it also helps decide your senators.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 4:16 pm to Bard
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-If the state's Governor does not appoint a Senator within 2 weeks, the authority to do so falls to the President.
I know it's a matter of semantics, but why not the Vice President since that position is considered the President of the Senate.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 5:14 pm to RemyLeBeau
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I know it's a matter of semantics, but why not the Vice President since that position is considered the President of the Senate.
Damn, that's an excellent idea!
Posted on 8/27/26 at 5:18 pm to DeBoar
We need term limits and AGE limits.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 5:46 pm to DeBoar
I have no problem with we the people voting for their Senators, the process is fine. It's the results that suck and that can only be blamed on we the people.
Even if we went back to allowing the state Legislatures to choose, we'd still have the same results.
The only hope of changing this is entirely burning down the Department of Education and teaching the younger generations the truth about what America is. Outside of that, we're just placing speed bumps to the inevitable.
Even if we went back to allowing the state Legislatures to choose, we'd still have the same results.
The only hope of changing this is entirely burning down the Department of Education and teaching the younger generations the truth about what America is. Outside of that, we're just placing speed bumps to the inevitable.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 6:13 pm to DeBoar
Elect the one that raises the most money, then leave em in office till they are dead or incoherent. The same way we do now
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