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How one can even start to discuss this shooting w/o accepting the following FACTS?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:06 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:06 am
1. Guns are no more readily available today than they were 40 years ago
2. Schools didn't become "gun free zones" until 1990.(this is when I think we started to go, "hey, wtf is going on here......it was just too early to note the social aspect of it)
3. Prior to 1990, there were an estimated 155 shootings in schools in US HISTORY!
4. Since 1990, there have been 313.
Look. I know there is much that can be discussed about guns.
But honestly. I'm just stunned that no one discusses the above in any depth whatsoever? I can only assume people think the above is a distraction from discussing guns.
But, honestly, doesn't it strike you as fricking worth knowing as to what the hell is going on there socially?
I think that regardless of your position on guns......be it a total ban or a total free for all........ANYONE would be like, "WTF is going on here?"
ETA - The bottom line point I'm making is this.
Let's way you waved a magic wand and all guns were gone.
I think there's STILL a very significant social phenomenon remaining that is kinda the elephant in the room.
2. Schools didn't become "gun free zones" until 1990.(this is when I think we started to go, "hey, wtf is going on here......it was just too early to note the social aspect of it)
3. Prior to 1990, there were an estimated 155 shootings in schools in US HISTORY!
4. Since 1990, there have been 313.
Look. I know there is much that can be discussed about guns.
But honestly. I'm just stunned that no one discusses the above in any depth whatsoever? I can only assume people think the above is a distraction from discussing guns.
But, honestly, doesn't it strike you as fricking worth knowing as to what the hell is going on there socially?
I think that regardless of your position on guns......be it a total ban or a total free for all........ANYONE would be like, "WTF is going on here?"
ETA - The bottom line point I'm making is this.
Let's way you waved a magic wand and all guns were gone.
I think there's STILL a very significant social phenomenon remaining that is kinda the elephant in the room.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 9:32 am
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:07 am to ShortyRob
It is disturbing.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:08 am to ShortyRob
We need to lay the blame where it exists, the evil in mans heart.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:09 am to BIGJLAW
quote:
We need to lay the blame where it exists, the evil in mans heart.
Meh.
I don't think man is naturally more evil today than he was 40 years ago.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:10 am to ShortyRob
Lay this all at Columbine's feet. The media made twisted martyrs of Klebold and Harris. We couldn't get enough of the coverage - we had to know EVERYTHING.
The rejected and the twisted noticed this as well.
The rejected and the twisted noticed this as well.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:10 am to ShortyRob
FACT: A person killed those people.
FACT: A gun is an inanimate tool. Left alone, it is harmless.
FACT: People kill people, they always have.
If he wanted to kill multiple people, he would have found a way regardless of the method.
FACT: A gun is an inanimate tool. Left alone, it is harmless.
FACT: People kill people, they always have.
If he wanted to kill multiple people, he would have found a way regardless of the method.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:11 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Meh.
I don't think man is naturally more evil today than he was 40 years ago.
Then you don't want to hear the truth. If you don't think man is naturally more evil today than 40 years ago, just look at statistics, then you are part of the problem.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:11 am to SidewalkDawg
quote:
Lay this all at Columbine's feet. The media made twisted martyrs of Klebold and Harris. We couldn't get enough of the coverage - we had to know EVERYTHING. The rejected and the twisted noticed this as well.
I think the social "pride" some of these nuts think they get out of it certainly plays a role.
I have a hard time thinking that's the driver though. But yes, it's no doubt a contributor.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:11 am to BIGJLAW
quote:Statistics for violent crime as a whole have dropped significantly over the last 40 years.
If you don't think man is naturally more evil today than 40 years ago, just look at statistics,
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:12 am to BIGJLAW
quote:
Then you don't want to hear the truth. If you don't think man is naturally more evil today than 40 years ago, just look at statistics, then you are part of the problem.
Which stats? Most stats show the opposite.
School shootings(and mass shootings in general) are bucking the trend, not going with it.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:12 am to ShortyRob
quote:
3. Prior to 1990, there were an estimated 155 shootings in schools in US HISTORY!
4. Since 1990, there have been 313.
While there surely was an increase, we must factor in population growth as well. That's why per capita statistics are more useful than absolute numbers.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:14 am to SidewalkDawg
quote:
Lay this all at Columbine's feet. The media made twisted martyrs of Klebold and Harris. We couldn't get enough of the coverage - we had to know EVERYTHING.
For my money, this is the #1 issue causing the frequency of this horror to increase.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:14 am to ShortyRob
Why is America so different than the rest of Western Civilization in this regard then? There are plenty of countries with very similar media to America, internet is global, social media is worldwide. Why is this an America only problem?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:14 am to WhiskeyBusiness
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If he wanted to kill multiple people, he would have found a way regardless of the method.
this is demonstrably false. when have you ever heard of someone knifing or clubbing 17 people to death?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:15 am to Iosh
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Statistics for violent crime as a whole have dropped significantly over the last 40 years.
This is another reason for my OP.
Not only are the school shootings absurdly spiked with no discernable logistical reason........they are spiked in CONFLICT with general data on violence.
I sincerely think we need to examine more closely how we are raising children because CLEARLY, they are demonstrating they are less equipped to deal with stress than their predecessors.
I mean shite, there have been weirdo outcasts since the dawn of time. I want people to study this shite because we are fricking up HUGE somehow
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:16 am to ShortyRob
Unless they recently changed it suicides by gun were counted in overall gun violence statistics without being broken out as suicides.
Totally skews the data.
Totally skews the data.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:16 am to ShortyRob
NRA is untouchable. Any attempt to ever even mention guns sets off a firestorm.
I don't know what to do about this. Everybody says "Treat the mental illness", etc. That obviously isn't doing shite.
I'm completely apathetic to it now. The GOP has the power of the second amendment. It stops every attempt to regulate it. So if you want to live in the United States, it's time to accept the fact you or your kids might just have to die in a mass shooting. I think that's just the way it is.
Let Freedom Ring. Put a gun in every hand. Let the AR's blast...
frick everything.
I don't know what to do about this. Everybody says "Treat the mental illness", etc. That obviously isn't doing shite.
I'm completely apathetic to it now. The GOP has the power of the second amendment. It stops every attempt to regulate it. So if you want to live in the United States, it's time to accept the fact you or your kids might just have to die in a mass shooting. I think that's just the way it is.
Let Freedom Ring. Put a gun in every hand. Let the AR's blast...
frick everything.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:17 am to ShortyRob
School shootings have become an acceptable means of revenge for miscreants. With 24 hour news and wall to wall coverage it gets imprinted in their minds. Prior to the 1980s you would have heard Walter Cronkite mention it once or twice then move on. It was forgotten. Now, splashed everywhere in all manner of media for weeks. Even after the publicity has died down, the story is readily available to revisit.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:17 am to Masterag
quote:
this is demonstrably false. when have you ever heard of someone knifing or clubbing 17 people to death?
Guess you don't watch the news where people are taking vehicles and running people over in large crowds.
You can take away guns or limit them all you want but people today are going to find ways to commit multiple homicides whether you like it or not. It is evil.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:17 am to AUstar
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While there surely was an increase, we must factor in population growth as well. That's why per capita statistics are more useful than absolute numbers.
Dude. Trust me on this one.
We are GREATLY outpacing the per capita numbers. GREATLY!
It ain't like I compared equal time periods either. So, there's that.
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