re: How one can even start to discuss this shooting w/o accepting the following FACTS?

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3. Prior to 1990, there were an estimated 155 shootings in schools in US HISTORY!

4. Since 1990, there have been 313.

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Do both of these numbers for each time period calculate school shootings the same? I saw where a suicide on school ground was considered a school shooting and where a shooting that happened in the parking lot (possible drug transaction) were also counted as a school shooting.

In other words, yes a suicide is tragic and you don't want that happening at your school, but that's not on the same level as a gunman entering school and opening fire on unarmed students.

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3. Prior to 1990, there were an estimated 155 shootings in schools in US HISTORY!

4. Since 1990, there have been 313.

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That is also around the time the Computer revolution was in full steam...Social Media started in the mid-1990's..I guess you don't see a correlation there?

The use of a gun was merely the tool of use. We have seen in gun control countries like France that they either obtain weapons illegally and shoot up places or use big frigging trucks to plow down people.

Perhaps focusing on the causes of the behavior would be a better place to focus rather than going after the tool that was used.

Make Social Media sites like Facebook and Instagram Civilly liable for allowing dangerous posts to occur and make them start writing some big checks for damage and they will clean shite up

This is a f'ed up interview on many levels

KHOU interview with supposed witness

If social media is the cause, why doesn’t it happen in other western civilization countries with the same volume as the US?

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WTF is driving THAT spike?!

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EXACTLY. the left wants to focus on the effect, not the cause. the gun is downstream. how did the situation even get to that point to begin with? banning the effect is not going to solve the underlying problem. this is simple rca, root cause analysis.

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most people aren't going to go through the trouble of making bombs, etc.

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So... your position is that someone motivated enough to kill 17 class mates... is too lazy to make a bomb? Interesting position to say the least.

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most european countries allow guns with strict regulations. none of those countries are being bombarded with homemade explosives on a daily basis.

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This is similar to what I posted yesterday. Why is no one talking about the fundamental causes to the increased frequency of these?

Is it due to the decay of the family unit? Are violent movies and video games to blame? Does the media’s fascination with these shootings contribute to it? Is it due to mental illness? Etc.

The “gun control” argument does not explain nor solve the issue as most of these shootings are occurring in schools and churches where guns are not allowed in the first place.

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most people aren't going to go through the trouble of making bombs, etc. and still kill at the same frequency as they do with guns

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ridiculous statement. ar 15's are readily available. take that away and people are going to turn to whatever else they can make happen.

or just keep being naive.

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it'll happen, but not nearly as often

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unsupported assertion

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people use guns because they want to be feared, be seen, and they want to escape or kill themselves.

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you're still looking downstream.

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when was the last time you heard of mass pipe/pressure cooker bombings in countries with fewer guns?

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post hoc ergo, propter hoc

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most european countries allow guns with strict regulations. none of those countries are being bombarded with homemade explosives on a daily basis. that argument is asinine.

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again, not comparing apples to apples. we're not talking about europe. we're talking about america. they have TOTALLY different social dynamics.

regardless, you're still wrong

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I don't think man is naturally more evil today than he was 40 years ago.

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Perhaps not, but I know that back in my day, all the way back into the 40s and 50s, evil was not tolerated like it is today. A kid that got out of line got his arse whipped. Nobody made up reasons why 'it wasn't his fault - he was bullied, etc" Kids were expected to take the 'slings and arrows of outrageous insult' and go on about their business. Nobody gave you any attention just because someone 'hurt your feelings' - you were told 'sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt yuo.'

I cannot even relate to all the mass hysteria in the past decade about some stupid WORD that someone was TRIGGERED by.

Guns were everywhere - I kept a .22 rifle in my truck going to school. So did all my friends. We were taught from the earliest moment that guns were dangerous - that they were always to be treated as though they were loaded. Nobody had any illusions about how dangerous they were.

Families were the backbone of the society. I never knew anyone who came from a 'broken home' -

What is at the bottom of all this crap is the 50 f'n YEARS of the DEMOCRAT party eating away at all the concepts of family and individual honor that has been the fundamental support structure of the American experience. The DEMOCRAT party is the responsible agent for encouraging kids to grow without strict moral guidance - the them, anything goes and it is always somebody else fault.

"Progressive" policy has nurtured this dysfunctional society.

life has been cheapened so much over the years, I would bet the shooter knew several girls who have had abortions, maybe even sisters, cousins, mom even. After a while with it being all around you, music, tv, movies, family, friends, etc., life cheapened so much that it is no big deal to take a life, it has to change some people.