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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:36 pm to BugAC
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:36 pm to BugAC
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What if i told you, i don't give a shite about either country?
20 more pages of them telling you that you’re lying, you hate America and you want to suck Putin’s dick.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:37 pm to Powerman
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That's a lot of gymnastics to defend Putin.
This is why we cant have nice things
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:37 pm to Flats
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So you not only know what people believe but why they believe it. But you’re totally here for honest conversation, amirite?
Yes. And if you’re incapable of honest discussion, he’ll speak for you because he’s just that magnanimous.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:37 pm to Vacherie Saint
He's essentially touting the Putin justification word for word 
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:38 pm to Powerman
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He's essentially touting the Putin justification word for word
He'd have to take Putin's cock out of his mouth first.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:39 pm to sta4ever
quote:You could, and judging by your posts it would not surprise me.
I could also say that if WWII never happened,
WWII was not negotiating with Ukraine to join an alliance opposing Russia. NATO was!
There are three culpable parties in this fiasco, not two. Three ... NATO-Ukraine-Russia. Sans NATO, Crimea would still be Ukrainian.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:47 pm to Powerman
quote:Neither was Japan in 1941. Neither was Germany to Russia in 1940. They were fast friends feasting on Poland. Allies even. Until they weren't.
NATO wasn't a threat
But, but, but, but NATO is all defensive, right? If you don't attack NATO countries, NATO won't attack you, right? Tell it to Serbia.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:22 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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Crimea was the heart of the Khazar Empire... Oh no, words of truth...
Seriously, Crimea was... There seems a hint in there somewhere.
I better wait until blind accusation risks are soothed
More "The jews did this" from JimmyJimJamesEuropatheLastBattlyBattBattle-bot.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:24 pm to cwill
The jews DID do it.
wait, did what?
wait, did what?
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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Neither was Japan in 1941. Neither was Germany to Russia in 1940. They were fast friends feasting on Poland. Allies even. Until they weren't.
But, but, but, but NATO is all defensive, right? If you don't attack NATO countries, NATO won't attack you, right? Tell it to Serbia.
Doing a lot of dancing lately I see
Do you believe that Putin really saw them as a threat or do you think maybe there was dishonesty mixed in?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:30 pm to BugAC
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It is a troll thread because you suggest that if i don't support Ukraine, then i must support Russia.
But this is a creation in your mind. Nowhere in OP is that suggested or required of any response.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:31 pm to Flats
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So you not only know what people believe but why they believe it
Pretty good at that and not scared to plant my flag, no.
quote:
But you’re totally here for honest conversation, amirite?
Yes, in spite of the echo chamber nature of the board.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:31 pm to Powerman
quote:The threat is obvious abd established in acknowledged study of geopolitics...
Do you believe that Putin really saw them as a threat or do you think maybe there was dishonesty mixed in?
The "dishonesty mixed in" is your "The Jews did it" nonsense
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:32 pm to Flats
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20 more pages of them telling you that you’re lying, you hate America and you want to suck Putin’s dick.
I haven't done this.
I've shifted almost all of those discussions (or at least attempted to) into one about cost.
You can play the whole "I don't care" card and be wrong, especially of costs is your issue.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:33 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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The threat is obvious abd established in acknowledged study of geopolitics..
Yes all the history of NATO aggression
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Are you really this obtuse?
Yes all the history of NATO aggression
I am referring to the millennia old doorstep that all educated in such things acknowledge about setting up camp on a countries doorstep when that country is hegemon.
250 miles from Moscow, Victoria Nuland and Baraq Obama...
the entirety of the rest of the details are secondary
Dont take my word for it, ask Dr. Kissinger
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:55 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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Dont take my word for it, ask Dr. Kissinger
Sorry. I don't want an opinion from someone who has been routinely wrong on every aspect of geopolitics for the past few generations.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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Neither was Germany to Russia in 1940.
Lebensraum was the outright goal of the Nazi Party, as it was the outright goal of Imperial Germany. Neither Stalin nor Hitler were naive about Molotov-Ribbentrop. Soviet military leaders told Stalin about the massive troop build-up in Romania on their border, but Stalin did not believe that Hitler would attack so soon after the pact, not that they wouldn't attack at all. This is a bad point.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:02 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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I am referring to the millennia old doorstep that all educated in such things acknowledge about setting up camp on a countries doorstep when that country is hegemon.
Russia is not the hegemon in the region. Not only that, by that view, using the offensive realist perspective, the US and the West were right to isolate a nearly defeated foe, as after defeating the USSR the US was explicit about the fact that world was going to be unipolar. They pursued those ends, and whittled away at Russia's sphere of influence so that it barely exists in Europe now.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:03 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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I am referring to the millennia old doorstep that all educated in such things acknowledge about setting up camp on a countries doorstep when that country is hegemon.
There is one hegemon in the world, and it's the US
Closest thing in that region is China, and even then, the EU is probably more appropriate
Russia ain't no hegemon
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