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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:44 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:44 pm to upgrayedd
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Are you going to be upset when Ukraine wins, becomes a slave to the US and EU/NATO, and turns into an even more corrupt country than it was before?
Strawman argument.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:45 pm to Powerman
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The US govt doesn't drastically change over short periods of time
Lol. We’re you in a coma during Obama’s second term?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:46 pm to Vacherie Saint
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That anything short of unquestioned devotion to Ukraine and unlimited access to the US treasury is “having Putin’s Dick in your mouth”.
You may be confusing my posts with someone else's.
I have definitely said there are overt-Russian supporters posting, and lots of people "totally not supporting Putin, but..." posters posting, but what you posted? Not my style.
I've also clearly stated today that this is all mostly just being anti-American because their party isn't in power, just like how DEMs were anti-America under Trump but are pro-America now. It's just polarized/2-sided political identification.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
There have been more finger wagging threads like this one than there are pro-Putin posters. And i havent seen many of those types in this thread 20 pages deep, so who are you lecturing?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:51 pm to Powerman
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So what has you hating it now all of a sudden?
The people currently in charge are pedophiles and Communists who seek to destroy freedom and have no trouble using their own personal Gestapo to lock up their Political enemies for starters.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:52 pm to sta4ever
quote:Yep. Just like it was all Sadam's fault for having WMDs and threatening to use them against the Kurds.
The only one escalating this to a level where we might have to get militarily involved, is Russia.
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I’m not the strawman here. It’s you making strawman accusations.
Nope.Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:53 pm to Vacherie Saint
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And i havent seen many of those types in this thread 20 pages deep
Well the SEO on my thread title was bad.
The one with "globalism" got the crazies out of the woodwork much moreso.
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so who are you lecturing
It's not a "lecture". Many people are just posting generalities about their stance and won't get into the nitty gritty. I'm trying to get people to discuss the nitty gritty. In return, people are posting generalities about their stance then claiming a deeper analysis is "being dishonest" (in some form or fashion).
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:53 pm to oogabooga68
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The people currently in charge are pedophiles and Communists who seek to destroy freedom and have no trouble using their own personal Gestapo to lock up their Political enemies for starters.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:55 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Lol. We’re you in a coma during Obama’s second term?
What do you think drastically changed?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
you essentially started a "u mad bro" thread. what sort of discourse did you think you were going to get?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:55 pm to sta4ever
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You’re confusing me being ok with the US supporting Ukraine right now
You support Ukraine and I don't there is zero confusion there.
quote:If you don't want war, who am I to disagree
with thinking we should get militarily involved
quote:. This is straight out of media. Fox included.
The only one escalating this to a level where we might have to get militarily involved, is Russia.
Here in lies the issue I have with you and this thread... It's like a built in excuse to go to fricking war in something we should have had ZERO - absolutely ZERO business sticking our fat fricking noses where it doesn't belong. I could GAF less if Russia took Crimea, Georgia, Ukraine, Seattle, & San Francisco.
"Oh it's gonna cause prices to go up yada yada"... well that ship has fricking sailed.
Worry about America First
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:56 pm to Powerman
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What do you think drastically changed?
The fundamentals
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:57 pm to NPComb
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The fundamentals
Feel free to elaborate
Obama's worst flaw was that he wasn't much different from GWB
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:57 pm to Vacherie Saint
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you essentially started a "u mad bro" thread
That's the most surface of surface level thinking/analysis
Same with my last thread (that got "ratio'd").
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:58 pm to Powerman
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Obama's worst flaw was that he wasn't much different from GWB
Obama had terrible foreign policy and was a total Ukraine dove and let Russia steal Crimea. Sounds like a wet dream for current "conservatives".
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:59 pm to Powerman
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What do you think drastically changed?
sighs
we went from Russia doves, sneering in laughter at hawks like Mittens, fishing for diplomatic resets, and rolling on our bellies as tanks crushed Crimea, to a bunch of Karl Rove clones looking to blame Putin for literally all of our problems. Why? because Russia became a convenient patsy for the Trump nonsense. In reality they are the exact same assholes they were in 2012.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
so when you are ready to admit this was, at least in part, a troll thread we might be able to make some progress.
The only difference between the way you and I think on this issue is, I believe everyone involved is horrible and Russia is the tallest of the pygmies. I'm also not convinced that sitting it out would have cost us much relative to the current path, especially since this is far from over.
The only difference between the way you and I think on this issue is, I believe everyone involved is horrible and Russia is the tallest of the pygmies. I'm also not convinced that sitting it out would have cost us much relative to the current path, especially since this is far from over.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've also clearly stated today that this is all mostly just being anti-American because their party isn't in power, just like how DEMs were anti-America under Trump but are pro-America now. It's just polarized/2-sided political identification.
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I've also clearly stated today that this is all mostly just being anti-American because their party isn't in power
bullshite. I'm American as it comes. The policies, spending, and rhetoric are what is dividing the country currently with the other guy it was simply the rhetoric.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Obama had terrible foreign policy and was a total Ukraine dove and let Russia steal Crimea.
You should dig up some Crimea threads where Obama was lambasted for allowing that to happen.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've also clearly stated today that this is all mostly just being anti-American because their party isn't in power, just like how DEMs were anti-America under Trump but are pro-America now. It's just polarized/2-sided political identification.
Maybe on this board but in real life it’s the populist right who are against giving unlimited funds to Ukraine - this group is most Catholic and former Dems who were alienated by the Democrats as they moved too far left - most of this group has been against every hot war since WWII and against nation building and cia/us govt clandestine intervention of other countries
South LA is inherently made up of many of this group - they’re is a reason most Cajuns didn’t fight in the civil war
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