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Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:15 pm to slapahoe
I have nothing against preppers, I just believe they're underestimating the desperation of the have-nots in these scenarios.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:20 pm to scrooster
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I'm so prepared ... grew up poor being prepared. Made money, it stuck with me, took it to another level.
Have owned one of the most popular survival forums on the web ... sold it. Used the money to prep even more.
Still own a few gun forums, various makers, with survival sub forums.
Own lots of acres down a long private dirt road. A farm with lots of chicken houses. Generators and 1000s of gallons of propane to run the houses if the grid goes down ... but I would open the doors, can chickens until we got tired of doing it ... use the rest for neighbors and to feed the vicious dogs.
I own a small arsenal and ammo to go with it.
Solar panels would keep the freezers running for awhile.
A few years worth of buckets of rice and beans and pasta and jerkey and canned veggies.
Plenty of seeds for gardens.
A big family who is on the same page.
A ton of first aid stuff .... been thinking actually of writing a book about my 5Fs.
Food (short term, long term, fresh, frozen and freeze dried)
Fresh Water (possibly most important - be redundant)
Fire (cooking, heat, light, cleaning and sterilization)
First Aid (Including farmaceuticals ... this is important, ask me.)
Firearms (goes without saying but KISS)
I'm hardened from EMPs with backup panels and two old computer free pickups on the farm. A hardened diesel backup gen I had custom made from a Lister Peter engine.
I could go on and on.
I've posted pics of my reloading man cave on this forum before ... it would allow be to reload for a long time ... well into six digits, doubling my current stores.
A complete hard copy library of "When there is no doctor" and various other books ... even the Firefox series.
Hardened comms in Faraday cages. (ask me, it's easy)
We practice twice a year, winter and summer extremes, by shutting down for 72 hours.
I love these kind of threads and wish more people would get on board ... it's coming one day, be prepared.
Ask me if you have questions.
Good for everyone already with the program.
this is good stuff here.
Not going to lie....I know a few families that have been prepping for YEARS and growing up I always thought they were crazy loony people. Years later, I feel crazy for not having some sort of 'plan' in place. I guess it changes ones perspective once you have a family to take care of. I need to get on the ball asap. Any good books you recommend for someone starting from ground zero? I have access to plenty of guns and ammo but the other stuff is what I need to educate myself on.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:26 pm to dbuchanon
On the contrary, it’s been my experience that the ideas of self-defense and protecting their families are at the heart of preppers’ disaster planning strategies.
I’m curious why you believe what you do regarding preppers underestimating troublemakers?
I’m curious why you believe what you do regarding preppers underestimating troublemakers?
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:28 pm to slapahoe
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Just watched a segment on fox news. If the internet and the power grid were taken out how long before cities start going crazy?
Given how pussified today's millenials are, things would get really bad fast.
A few years of us living off the grid would set natural selection in order quickly.
The most important things to have in such a situation:
1. Weapons/ammunition - Needed to defend yourself and acquire food/resources
2. Survival gear and clothing - Backpacks, knives, rope, jackets, boots, shite like that.
3. Survival skills - How to hunt, how to skin an animal, how to fish, how to build a fire, how to navigate without a GPS, first aid training, etc.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:31 pm to EKG
IMO, the number one thin ng you need as a prepper is: will you directly kill another man. Number two: will you kill his wife and kids.
Think long and hard about that. Because if you’re not there yet, Regardless of how prepped you are, you’re in trouble.
Think long and hard about that. Because if you’re not there yet, Regardless of how prepped you are, you’re in trouble.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:36 pm to dbuchanon
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have nothing against preppers, I just believe they're underestimating the desperation of the have-nots in these scenarios.
Preppers that plan to stay in areas they can't properly defend.. or areas that are within 50 miles of a lot of people..are gonna end up fricked. Imo.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:40 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:If we kill the man, what are the chances the wife and kids attack?
will you directly kill another man. Number two: will you kill his wife and kids.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:42 pm to EKG
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I’m curious why you believe what you do regarding preppers underestimating troublemakers?
Ok, lets put it like this. Stores get gutted and months go by, ppl are starving and they know ol EKG has the goods. How long can you fend off your town trying to take what you have? You have guns, they will too.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:44 pm to airfernando
You’ve more than likely killed them whether they attack or not. I said think long and hard about what the situations would realistically be like.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:48 pm to dbuchanon
I don’t doubt for a second that the scenario you describe could/would happen.
I just don’t think preppers underestimate that reality—they expect it.
After reading your previous comment I had the impression that you’d come across someone/something that made you think otherwise; I was curious about it, that’s all.
I just don’t think preppers underestimate that reality—they expect it.
After reading your previous comment I had the impression that you’d come across someone/something that made you think otherwise; I was curious about it, that’s all.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 11:55 pm to AUstar
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Wouldn't happen. It would be a massive undertaking on the scale of a nation-state to do it.
Your naive. The power grid is much more fragile than you can imagine. All it would take is for the grid to go down for a few days and people would killing each other in the major cities.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 12:08 am to slapahoe
I have 500 gallon water cistern, active garden, crisis garden seeds, 3 months of stored food, 3 weapons, nearly unlimited ammo, 3 survival manuals, local terrain maps, 3 15 gallon water tanks/tub tank, 2 bikes/bike wagon, 2 generators, 1 is in a Ferriday cage, 3 water purifiers, iodine, dehumidifiers for stored vegetables (25 years so far), years of Military survival training including sere school/Cool school, $1000 in silver coins and $1000 cash in a safe.
Now, if everyone would do this...America Wouldnt have any problems
Now, if everyone would do this...America Wouldnt have any problems
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:12 am to 4LSU2
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I’m good on guns, ammo, and food. I don’t keep cash around but I need to start doing so.
If it deteriorates bad enough cash will have little value.
Supplies, cigarettes, liquor, and goods will have more trading power.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 2:28 am to slapahoe
As long as the natural gas doesn't stop flowing, my home will never lose power.
We have a 22Kw Natural gas generator
We have a 22Kw Natural gas generator
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 2:29 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 4:19 am to dbuchanon
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Ok, lets put it like this. Stores get gutted and months go by, ppl are starving and they know ol EKG has the goods. How long can you fend off your town trying to take what you have? You have guns, they will too.
I completely see your point. I will provide some counterpoint
A prepper is kinda like that two guys and a bear story. Don't gotta be faster than the other guy
Or. In this case, just a harder target than the next guy
Also. There's a limit to organizing that town. Too many and suddenly, the attackers realize they are risking their lives and you probably don't have enough for all of them
Finally. While surviving forever would be great, i suspect prepping is about outlasting the storm
Posted on 2/14/18 at 5:00 am to slapahoe
Cash would become worthless very quickly in that type of environment.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 5:40 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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If it deteriorates bad enough cash will have little value.
Seriously, in any sort of catastrophic disruption of society, cash is going to have almost no value.
Cash relies on stability.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:04 am to RCDfan1950
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Well, "prepared" covers a lot of territory. Read the Book "One Second After" if you want to imagine just what a prolonged Grid outage would look like...and if you can afford little sleep for the next couple of weeks.
I've heard all sorts of ramifications of an EMP attack, one of the worst was some dude saying that US nuclear power plants could theoretically go into to meltdown if they were not shutdown in short order after the EMP dropped the power grid.
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