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re: How many "ghost guns" used in recent shootings?

Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:14 am to
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33495 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:14 am to
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How many "ghost guns" used in recent shootings?


Why stop at ghost guns? How about NFA items?

I mean, we even do AR15s as well. Biden/Harris are idiots.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33495 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:14 am to
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Has anyone seen stories of crimes using them??


They're "ghost" stories.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:16 am to
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How many "ghost guns" used in recent shootings?


Why does that matter?

How many rifles are used in deadly shootings each year? How many legally purchased firearms are used?

None of it has to be true so long as the media has decided to run your propaganda for you. At this point the White House can say virtually anything, and the press will repeat it over and over for them.

In less than 2 weeks, you'll have people who have never held a gun telling you about the dangers of "ghost guns."
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5601 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:21 am to
None, it’s a feel good restriction that most won’t care about and it will be a W for his administration.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:22 am to
Enjoyed reading The Lazy Pistol and the following bears repeating:
quote:

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the world. But if you take out just 5 'left-wing' cities:Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis and New Orleans--the United States is 4th FROM THE BOTTOM, in the ENTIRE world, for murders.
These 5 cities are controlled by Democrats. They also have the toughest gun control laws in the USA.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:49 am to
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Enjoyed reading The Lazy Pistol and the following bears repeating:
quote:

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the world. But if you take out just 5 'left-wing' cities:Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis and New Orleans--the United States is 4th FROM THE BOTTOM, in the ENTIRE world, for murders.
These 5 cities are controlled by Democrats. They also have the toughest gun control laws in the USA.

What happens when you remove violent urban centers from ALL countries and not just the US?
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
4006 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 8:56 am to
This is more about regulating 3D printing and voluntary human interaction
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32963 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:16 am to
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If the true goal of "gun control" is the prevention of crime,
We all know the left’s intentions are to disarm the populous so they can be easily subjugated. There’s no doubt about it.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:38 am to
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What happens when you remove violent urban centers from ALL countries and not just the US?

I am an American Citizen. I do not live in violent centers from ALL countries. I exclude them for this reason.

Looking for a cause offers potential solutions. I would think you would agree rather than parsing the data for whatever reason that drove you to do so.

What exactly is your point? Are you white knighting again?

Also dv not mine as I simply do not understand your motive for deflecting.
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 9:40 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:56 am to
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IslandBuckeye
It is not “parsing” to demonstrate that you chose to compare apples and oranges, by excluding violent American cities from your statistics and then comparing those (adjusted) numbers to other countries’ (unadjusted) numbers, still including THEIR violent urban centers.

Yes, cities are more violent than less-urban areas ... almost everywhere in the world.

Yes, crime statistics will favor small-town Paris, Texas over urban Paris, France.
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 10:00 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79888 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:01 am to

The data seems to show that cites are the cause of most crime.

Not the guns.

We need to ban cites.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:47 am to
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Yes, crime statistics will favor small-town Paris, Texas over urban Paris, France.



Then lets compare countries. How about France vs Poland. They have disparate data and politics.

One of these is not like the others. Why?

quote:

Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents 31.2
Ranked 12th. 24 times more than Poland 1.3
Ranked 134th.
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate 1.63
Ranked 34th. 48% more than Poland 1.1
Ranked 52nd.
Posted by ChuckO1975
Member since Feb 2021
1292 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 11:18 am to
Cody Wilson is the Last American.

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103112 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 11:23 am to
Here's a different question -

How many homicides in areas like Chicago can be traced to a small handful of weapons?


The problem ain't a few people killing everybody, it's that the killers are outsmarting ballistics by "renting" guns that have been used in so many crimes that it is damn near impossible to trace a specific individual to that crime.


If so many crimes can be traced by ballistics to a small number of existing guns, why is controlling newly sold guns such a huge problem?
Posted by Tigertoof
Arizona
Member since Nov 2019
255 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 11:25 am to
Are ghost guns frequently used in violent crime?
Yes, ghost guns are increasing being used in shootings across the country:
In July 2020, an individual who was prohibited from possessing guns allegedly murdered two people in Pennsylvania using a homemade 9mm handgun.9
In November 2019, a 16-year-old shot five of his classmates at Saugus High School in California—two of them fatally—using a homemade handgun, before fatally shooting himself.10
In August 2019, a shooter used a homemade gun kit to build a .223-caliber firearm that he later used to fire 41 shots in 32 seconds in a bar in Dayton, Ohio, shooting 26 people and killing nine.11
In 2017, in Northern California, a man prohibited from possessing firearms ordered kits to build AR-15-style rifles. On November 13, he initiated a series of shootings that began with fatally shooting his wife at home, followed by a rampage the next day during which he fired at multiple people in several different locations, including an elementary school, killing five people and injuring dozens more.12
In 2013, a shooter opened fire in Santa Monica, California, shooting 100 rounds, killing five people, and injuring several others at a community college using a homemade AR-15 rifle. Reporting indicates the shooter had previously tried to purchase a firearm from a licensed gun dealer and failed a background check, potentially indicating why he opted to order parts to build a gun instead.13
Law enforcement officials around the country are sounding the alarm about the dramatic increase in the recovery of ghost guns at crime scenes in their communities. ATF reported that approximately 10,000 ghost guns were recovered across the country in 2019.14 Ghost guns have also been illegally trafficked to Mexico.15 In addition:
In 2019, Washington, D.C., police recovered 115 ghost guns, a 360 percent increase from 2018, when they recovered 25 ghost guns, and a 3,733 percent increase from 2017, when only three such firearms were recovered.16
In 2019, ATF reported recovering 117 ghost guns in Maryland with almost 25 percent recovered from Baltimore alone. Ghost gun recoveries in the state then tripled in 2020.17
According to law enforcement in Philadelphia, ghost gun recoveries in that city rose 152 percent from 2019 to 2020.18
The special agent in charge of the ATF Los Angeles Field Division reported in January 2021 that 41 percent of the division’s cases involve ghost guns, and a May 2019 statewide analysis in California found that 30 percent of all guns recovered in connection with a crime in the state did not have serial numbers.19
In addition, an investigation by The Trace found that ghost guns are increasingly becoming the weapon of choice for violent white supremacists and anti-government extremists.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26888 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 11:27 am to
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Are ghost guns frequently used in violent crime?


What a horrible cut & paste. I don't suppose there are any actual numbers that come out of that? I doubt it, because they won't look as impressive as a wall of text, some of it bullshite.
Posted by Tigertoof
Arizona
Member since Nov 2019
255 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 12:10 pm to
Why does it matter if it was cut and pasted? The content is verifiable and thus accurate. I’m not for banning weapons believe me but the truth is these guns are used to commit crimes and it makes it harder for the criminals to be caught and taken off the streets. If it makes law enforcements job easier and prevents criminals from obtaining weapons why would anyone be against that???
Posted by Mac Power
Member since Jul 2019
463 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 12:22 pm to

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In August 2019, a shooter used a homemade gun kit to build a .223-caliber firearm that he later used to fire 41 shots in 32 seconds in a bar in Dayton, Ohio, shooting 26 people and killing nine.11


This was not a ghost gun. The lower was serialized.

LINK
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6100 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 12:57 pm to
First define what this magical unicorn term means. Ghost Gun.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6580 posts
Posted on 4/8/21 at 1:05 pm to
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First define what this magical unicorn term means. Ghost Gun.


Technically it's just an unserialized gun. They just need to pass a law that says you cant commit shootings without a serialized gun. That would do exactly the same thing as this nonsense. I almost feel like they should cut straight to the chase and go ahead and make murder illegal.
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