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re: How important are Confederate monuments to you?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:53 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:53 pm to goatmilker
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There was nothing in the Constitution against leaving the Union.
What about shooting american soldiers?
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:55 pm to LSUconvert
quote:There is no need to shoot at people who are not interfering with your rights.quote:What about shooting american soldiers?
There was nothing in the Constitution against leaving the Union.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 5:56 pm to AggieHank86
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There is no need to shoot at people who are not interfering with your rights.
I guess this is where we differ. I don't think they had the right to own people.
They did, and apparently you do.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:05 pm to LSUconvert
quote:Well, I was referencing the right to secede, but slavery WAS legal at the time.
I guess this is where we differ. I don't think they had the right to own people.
They did, and apparently you do.
Our 21st-Century approval or disapproval of the “peculiar institution” has no bearing upon the matter, and the North did not invade the South to end slavery.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:06 pm to AggieHank86
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Our 21st-Century approval or disapproval of the “peculiar institution” has no bearing upon the matter
Sure it does. We're deciding now whether or not to celebrate them.
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North did not invade the South to end slavery.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:06 pm to FT
VERY
Veterans leave a war, but war never leaves a Veteran
Veterans leave a war, but war never leaves a Veteran
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:08 pm to namvet6566
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Veterans leave a war, but war never leaves a Veteran
They are not veterans of the United States.
Why do you want to celebrate the enemy of the United States?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:12 pm to LSUconvert
quote:I would say “You cannot actually be this stupid,” but I can see otherwise.quote:
North did not invade the South to end slavery.
The North invaded the South to end an insurrection. If they had quickly prevailed, slavery in the South would have been unaffected.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:14 pm to AggieHank86
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If they had quickly prevailed, slavery in the South would have been unaffected.
What lotto numbers should I buy?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:14 pm to 4LSU2
I keep telling you. The purpose of the monuments was not so much about honoring Confrderate dead, as it was a white reaction to Reconstruction.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:16 pm to VOR
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I keep telling you. The purpose of the monuments was not so much about honoring Confrderate dead, as it was a white reaction to Reconstruction.
Wait, are you saying that monuments of confederate leaders who killed american soldiers for their right to own slaves, built during Jim Crow are meant to be... racist!?!?!?!
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:16 pm to LSUconvert
quote:Yet another example of avoiding my point by selective redaction. My POINT was that the institution WAS legal at the time. You cannot refute that simple, objective fact, so you try to change the question.quote:Sure it does. We're deciding now whether or not to celebrate them.
Our 21st-Century approval or disapproval of the “peculiar institution” has no bearing upon the matter
If you want to judge 19th Century people and their actions using 21st Century mores, have at it. Maybe you should judge the Romans or the Moses-era Jews by the same standard.
Most educated people are smarter than that.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:17 pm to AggieHank86
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Maybe you should judge the Romans or the Moses-era Jews by the same standard.
I'd advocate for their monuments to be taken down too.
Fortunately, there aren't very many of those in the United States at the moment.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:18 pm to LSUconvert
quote:Tell Roy Moore and his Rock.
Fortunately, there aren't very many of those in the United States at the moment.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:20 pm to LSUconvert
quote:Pick any numbers you want. I have always said that a tax on the stupid is positively Darwinian.
What lotto numbers should I buy?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:20 pm to AggieHank86
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Pick any numbers you want.
No way! Not when you can tell the future.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:20 pm to LSUconvert
Oh the nerve of me. lol
The monuments were definitely a statement about Southern whites resisting change.
I think I already suggested that people research the written dadications for many of these monuments.
The monuments were definitely a statement about Southern whites resisting change.
I think I already suggested that people research the written dadications for many of these monuments.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:21 pm to PEPE
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All the colonists who took up arms against the British were "traitors" too.
Are you British?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:21 pm to VOR
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I think I already suggested that people research the written dadications for many of these monuments.
It doesn't even take that much effort. Just look at the dates they were erected.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:24 pm to LSUconvert
quote:There is a significant difference between “predicting the future” and extrapolating alternate outcomes from known historical events, based upon all available contemoraneous data.quote:No way! Not when you can tell the future.
Pick any numbers you want.
Yes, I know, over your head.
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