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re: How Free Trade Took Down the American Middle Class
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
Don't run from this. Own it! You just stated it!
There it is! Everybody prior to FDR (who started "free trade") was marxists.
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The entire theory of making consumers pay more for goods to create manufactured efficiency for lower-level manufacturing is redistributive (aka, Marxism)
There it is! Everybody prior to FDR (who started "free trade") was marxists.
This post was edited on 3/23/25 at 7:30 pm
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Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
graph really is misleading
it shows the annual salary increase over the period of time for the PRODUCTION WORKER. It does not show that the percentage of production workers dropped by 67.5 % over that period of time
it shows the annual salary increase over the period of time for the PRODUCTION WORKER. It does not show that the percentage of production workers dropped by 67.5 % over that period of time
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:31 pm to oldskule
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Damn, a lot of those names are STILL in congress!!!!!!!!!!
One of the biggest problems in America.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:35 pm to RiverCityTider
Free trade helps the middle class. It places countries on the same playing field.
The middle class was destroyed by Nixon's trade policy with China.
The middle class was destroyed by Nixon's trade policy with China.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. I'm promoting the USA and the backbone of why we remain the worlds economic superpower (and lower-level manufacturing would hurt that very economy).
No you aren't. We were the world super power in WWII... PRIOR to your communist wish list getting implemented.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Aren't you soooo proud!!
Waiting
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:39 pm to BCreed1
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Waiting
Explain to me how capitalism and freed trade is Communist, first
Which author are you using to argue this? Cite the passage and book for me.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:40 pm to RiverCityTider
Neoliberalism decimated the middle class. Three decades of neoliberal policies has failed Americans economically.
This post was edited on 3/23/25 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Don't run from this. Own it! You just stated it!
There it is! Everybody prior to FDR (who started "free trade") was marxists.
quote:
quote:
The entire theory of making consumers pay more for goods to create manufactured efficiency for lower-level manufacturing is redistributive (aka, Marxism)
There it is! Everybody prior to FDR (who started "free trade") was marxists.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:47 pm to dek81572
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Middle class didn't live in 2000sqft houses in the 70's and they sure didn't have 2 brand new cars either.
Bingo! That was some exaggerated bullshite.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:47 pm to BCreed1
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! You just stated it!
Yes, Redistribution is marxism.
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Everybody prior to FDR (who started "free trade") was marxists.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oh hell no you don't. You don;t get to cut part of your sentence off and claim something new.
Your words again in making tariffs out to marxism:
The entire theory of making consumers pay more for goods to create manufactured efficiency for lower-level manufacturing is redistributive (aka, Marxism)
As to your quote... The founding fathers all the way to FDR were pro tariffs. So are you now saying that tariffs are free enterprise?
LOL! Which is it Slowmo? Tariffs Marixism or Free Enterprise?
Your words again in making tariffs out to marxism:
The entire theory of making consumers pay more for goods to create manufactured efficiency for lower-level manufacturing is redistributive (aka, Marxism)
As to your quote... The founding fathers all the way to FDR were pro tariffs. So are you now saying that tariffs are free enterprise?
LOL! Which is it Slowmo? Tariffs Marixism or Free Enterprise?
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:58 pm to BCreed1
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The U.S. deficit with three of those nations has increased more than 400%: Canada, 484.34%, Taiwan, 461.55%, and Vietnam, 285.98%. The deficit with another three has more than doubled: Mexico (171.54%), Ireland (141.23%) and South Korea (138.94%).
Not sure we really had free trade.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:58 pm to BCreed1
“No it's not. Either a house was roughly 2.5 times of the income or it wasn't. Either it's way more now or it isn't.”
What? That wasn’t even the main point of the OP. And you don’t seriously believe that it was trade policy that drove up housing costs, do you?
What? That wasn’t even the main point of the OP. And you don’t seriously believe that it was trade policy that drove up housing costs, do you?
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:59 pm to BCreed1
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and claim something new.
I did no such thing. Your reaching is relying on reaching, at this point.
Capitalism is freedom, specifically freedom from government intervention in markets. I believe in capitalism and freedom.
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The founding fathers all the way to FDR were pro tariffs.
You didn't read the whole quote. That's only part of it.
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So are you now saying that tariffs are free enterprise?
They are government intervention/regulation. We are less free with tariffs than without.
How do you define Marxism, specifically with respect to economics and governmental policy?
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:00 pm to dgnx6
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Not sure we really had free trade.
Trade deficits mostly signal you're doing a good job at free trade and are rich.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
China and the US do not have free and fair trade. China subsidizes their industry with govt money, they artificially suppress wages, they have economic policies that suppress imports, etc…. Your condescending manner and mocking comments that are essentially meant to demean people that are sticking up for ordinary Americans are disgusting. Especially when you are either immaturely ignorant or willfully spreading half-truths.
Sometimes I have read your comments and I wonder, are you paid to come on the rant and spread propaganda? Seriously,……is this something supported by USAID?
Sometimes I have read your comments and I wonder, are you paid to come on the rant and spread propaganda? Seriously,……is this something supported by USAID?
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:04 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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China subsidizes their industry with govt money, they artificially suppress wages, they have economic policies that suppress imports, etc
We benefit from most, if not all, of these policies.
If you don't believe me I can post Milton Friedman explaining it. This isn't my theory of my argument. It's the argument of the greatest American economist in history. Well I haven't looked specifically, I bet you I can find Thomas Sowell agreeing. I have more experience reading Friedman
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. Your condescending manner and mocking comments that are essentially meant to demean people that are sticking up for ordinary Americans are disgusting.
I'm doing no such thing. You are emotional arguments are noted though.
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Sometimes I have read your comments and I wonder, are you paid to come on the rant and spread propaganda? Seriously,……is this something supported by USAID?
Promoting Milton Friedman is certainly not a USAid thing. It used to be the dominant philosophy on this board without question. People have just grown more leftist and desirous of government intervention in their old age
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The difference is cost of living was much cheaper back then compared to now.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trade deficits mostly signal you're doing a good job at free trade and are rich.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:06 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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you don’t seriously believe that it was trade policy that drove up housing costs, do you?
I'm saying the cost out ran the pay. In fact, you can go all the way back to the 1950s and it's the same story. Houses were roughly 2 to 2.5 times the average salary.
3-bedroom house in 1950 was $7,400. In today's money, that's roughly $90,000.
Average family income was $3,300.
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