re: How did the framers understand or define justice?

You do not understand the difference between a tort and a crime. But even so, the tort system protects private property rights.

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Defamation

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This is a tort. One can only collect if they can show that a lie was done purposefully to cause damage to one’s business, and prove the amount of that damage, essentially fraud. Fraud is a means of circumventing one’s consent to contract via dishonesty. A violation of consent is a violation of private property is a violation of private property rights.

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Perjury?

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This crime is committed when one attempts to use the government process to deny property rights from another or to entitle themselves to property rights that they otherwise would not be entitled to. This is a property crime tantamount to fraud.

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Assault?

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This is an offshoot of another tort: battery. Battery is harm caused by unwanted physical contact. Assault is harm caused by the anticipation of unwanted physical contact. Threats and intimidation can be harmful just like a punch or a kick. As such, our tort system allows a means of recompense for this behavior, which is, once again a violation of private property rights.

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Obstruction of justice?

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This is a process crime. If government is to protect the private property rights of its citizens, impeding law enforcement from performing this task is tantamount to denying the private property rights of citizens who need that law enforcement to protect them. This is the most spurious one you listed, but it still relates back.

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Your responses are like listening to an 85 year old talk to himself.

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Cubbies lacks the intellectual capacity to even be intellectually honest, let alone possess the moral consistency with which to debate. She is pure emotion uncoupled from reason, accountability, and any objectivity. You’re not arguing with a serious person. You’re arguing with a television set to MSNBC, or more accurately, Democracy Now on NPR. There are fewer posters with which I hold in lower esteem.

There are partisans, there are trolls, there are morons, and there are psychopaths, and then there is cubbies.

Rawls died too late. Unfortunately his ideas would have been picked up by some other warrior. frick him and the horse he rode

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Cubbies lacks the intellectual capacity to even be intellectually honest, let alone be morally consistency with which to debate. She is pure emotion uncoupled from reason, accountability, and any objectivity. You’re not arguing with a serious person. You’re arguing with a television set to MSNBC, or more accurately, Democracy Now on NPR. There are fewer posters with which I hold in lower esteem.

There are partisans, there are trolls, there are morons, and there are psychopaths, and then there is cubbies.

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I'll add this to my ever-growing file of unprompted character analyses by strangers from the internet.

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How can a right exist without a mechanism to enforce or protect it?

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Seriously??? Well, our founding fathers made that very clear. Ya know the whole Declaration of Independence thing!

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

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Your responses are like listening to an 85 year old talk to himself

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Perhaps you should reconsider the value of an "85" year old persons wisdom.
This may come as a shock to you, but there exist people with little to no education who possess wisdom you can never hope to achieve.
My ex wifes grandfather was such a person. A 6th grade education, yet the wisest and most intelligent man Ive ever met.

To be brief, they would have no doubt hung a lot of your heroes

Mother Nature is ‘Just’ based on the principle of survival of the fit(est). Very efficient mechanism. There is no Moral criteria for ‘Fit’.

God’s ’Justice’ is based on the choice of a sovereign Entity. Merit as it were, but with Jesus’ Grace/Mercy factored in as God/Jesus knows the heart. Assuming one embraces Jesus and relinquishes sovereignty to God, through Jesus, via the Holy Spirit. No relinquish = no Grace, or “Grace is measured “. One pays one’s Karma.

Secularist believe that it’s the luck of the draw as to what conditions an individual is born into in this life. They label it “life’s lottery “ as if it were just blind luck, good and bad relatively so; and as such a form of ‘injustice’ which must be mitigated if a higher moral standard is to be applied.

God’s Children believe that “the hairs in your head are numbered “ and that NOTHING happens outside of the Just Will of God. Especially who and where people are born into. The obvious pink elephant in this room is why God would create “one to honor, and one to dishonor “. And that has been answered above. Albeit it’s the current theological norm to discount any reference or basis for judgement on a previous existence. To each their own beliefs. Either it works or doubt fills the gap.

Careful Cubs,”there is a way that seemeth right unto man but the end thereof is destruction “. Mercy, but NOT without Qualifiers. Herding cats won’t fly. But they will have to try.

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I'll add this to my ever-growing file of unprompted character analyses by strangers from the internet.

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You could prove us wrong and say those 3 simple arse words.


“I was wrong”





Still














Waiting

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No rights exist without the government there to enforce them, though. That's why it's hard for me really consider the existence of "natural rights."

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Even without a government there is the natural right of might is right.

All rights stem from that one simple proven ideal.

We, the people, give up power to the government so the government has the power to punish those who disrupt the natural order.


Sans government, the natural order is still there. It is simply on the smallest scale, the individual level. Whoever has the might, has the right.



Vae victis.







Let’s chalk this up to another time 4cubbies is WRONG. Will she admit it? Will she respond?

We all know the answer, no.