re: Help me understand the “pro immigration” argument

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It keeps wages down and prevents companies from hiring Americans. Case in point: When some of the chicken plants in Mississippi were busted last year for having illegals, they were replaced them with unemployed Americans. Americans HAVE to come first.

Also, no country can survive with open borders, and no country can survive with the immigration policy we’ve had.

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I dated a girl at LSU who couldn’t believe that MLB brought in foreigners to play baseball. She felt as though the catcher for the NY Yankees should be an American, unless no American wants the job then and only then should they look for foreign labor. I was kind of blindsided by her take on that.

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immigrants do the jobs no one else wants to do

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We create a welfare state that pays the would-be American blue collar labor force to stay home, frick, and do drugs. Then we import Hispanics illegally to do that work for pennies on the dollar and push to give them voting rights.

This is the future that democrats want for America

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The only immigration should be based on a strict merit system that is designed to be an asset to our citizens and our country.

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And European

There is a big difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration.

One can be for legal immigration, which has many benefits and against illegal immigration.

Legal immigration is controlled, vetted and used to bring in people with different skills and talents. That should remain as it helps the country develop

Illegal or controlled immigration is what will hurt this country. It leads to a huge strain on resources and leaves not only the illegal immigrants exposed to many health and safety issues but also regular Americans.

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Not the way its been practiced for the past 35 years.

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Exactly. Legal immigration is just as bad as illegal and worse in many ways (because you can't round them up and deport them)

unfettered immigration has never been good for this country, even the european immigration waves of the 19th century. my family immigrated from Ireland after the civil war. there were two distinct types of immigration, there was specific place immigration after the war, these were to states lightly populated seeking people to homestead and this typically worked out ok, then there was mass immigration typically to the ports of boston, philadelphia and new york and that rarely worked out well. to this day boston still has an irish underclass. mass immigration unleashed a cavalcade of social ills that were unimaginable. drug use, out of wedlock births, men who abandoned families, prostitution, crime and ethnic riots. most first generation immigrants never learned english and never became american citizens remaining impoverished for the rest of their lives. sound familiar?

the term "melting pot" was the name of a play that was popular in the early 1900's a romeo and juliet story about an italian and jewish couple who embrace a shared "american culture" over their separate european cultures. it was teddy roosevelt favorite play, but it was a metaphor for what people hoped would happened not what was happening. in fact if you look at almost all contemporary literature and plays at the time written to be consumed by immigrants, they speaks to the regret of leaving their homelands.

there was a reason that we placed a moratorium on immigration in 1923 and it wasn't because everything was going great.

support for immigration has always fallen into two camps, republican support for cheap labor and democrat support for political power. it has never had wide spread support from native born americans even those children and subsequent generations of immigrants that have to deal with the consequences of unfettered immigration.

In a nutshell. Legal immigration helps the United States. Illegal immigration hurts the United States.


It’s that simple.

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We will never be a one party country.

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You need to read some history. Every totalitarian state replaced a non-totalitarian state. People didn't hold an election "Dictator for Life." Those in power grow their power until the people have no voice.

Just look at how much more power the federal govt of the US has over your life as an individual than it did in 1776.

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Every totalitarian state replaced a non-totalitarian state.

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With democratic socialism, you vote your way in. Like regular socialism, you have to shoot your way out.

Separate argument. Feel free to start a thread.