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re: H1N1 vs. Coronavirus - Why are they not comparable?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:32 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:32 am to Vacherie Saint
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two flu pandemics. lots of dying people. two presidents. two responses.
Its comparable. But I totally understand why Obama fan boys don't want to go there.
Who the president is/was is of little interest here
There is a reason why every other country is taking extreme measures. It's not because they're Obama fan boys you moron. It's because the characteristics of this virus are deemed to be much more lethal than anything we've seen in a very long time.
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:34 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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We didn't shut down the economy or nail the POTUS for the failures of the CDC because it was a Democrat. PERIOD.
Why are you boomers so fixated on this? This should have no bearing in your judgement of the current situation. Anyone with eyeballs could see Obama was felatted by the media every second. He could do no wrong in their eyes.
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We didn't shut down the economy
We didn't shut down the economy during the H1N1 outbreak for several reasons:
- It really wasn't that much worse than the normal flu, but it was new and appeared after the regular flu season had passed.
- It peaked when schools were dismissed for summer break (late May early June)
-because it was an influenza virus (Orthomyxovirus virus family) we could develop a vaccine more rapidly and couple it with the season flu vaccine. SARS-CoV-2 is a Coronavirus. Different virus family all together.
However, the scientific and medical evidence proves SARS-Cov-2 is much much worse than H1N1 Swine Flu. It's irrefutable at this point. Political affiliations need to take a seat until this is over with and then we can get back to our usual nonsense.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:39 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:35 am to Vacherie Saint
There it is. "Muh Obama" from the top rope.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:35 am to BugAC
quote:Now, tell me what the US COVID deaths would be if it reached H1N1 US infected levels.
H1N1 (Source CDC)
Worldwide: 700 million to 1.4 billion infected, 171,000-575,000 deaths
US: 60.8 million cases, 12,469 deaths
Coronavirus (reported)
Worldwide: 490,144 infected, 22,154 deaths
US: 68,211 infected, 1,027 deaths
Are they comparable?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:38 am to TH03
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There it is. "Muh Obama" from the top rope.
People really need to stop worrying about Obama and Trump and look at the numbers and trends
The rest of the world isn't shutting down because of who our president is
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:39 am to Powerman
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getting pushed to the limit
by an overreacting populace fueled by an over hyping politically motivated media. For most this is not as bad as a severe case of the flu.
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we're not even at peak yet
you don't know this. This virus has been here for months. Many people who have gotten it just stayed home for a few days treating it like it was the flu (rest & liquids).
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:40 am to Yak
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I'm comparing the numbers, you're comparing the political response. Which is fine, but just note that distinction when attempting to call me an Obama fanboy.
Well, that's between you and God.
Comparing the numbers isn't particularly useful, since you can have a more deadly virus that's less contagious (AIDS or Ebola), or some other cocktail of transmission efficiency, mortality, symptom severity, etc... You can even theoretically have the exact same pandemic that kills many more or many less based on the response. You want to talk numbers because its the easiest way to say; "see, they don't compare!" That's a cop out only being made by those who want to disingenuously defend Obama and attack Trump. The media is hard on this narrative, so that sort of lifts the veil, don't you think?
There were over 500 dead by the time O declared a national emergency. Ultimately, we lost thousands. I think its absolutely fair to compare these responses, since that's really how this analogy is being used.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:43 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:41 am to Yak
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Now, tell me what the US COVID deaths would be if it reached H1N1 US infected levels.
Sure, based on what percentage? 3/9 when the mortality rate was measured at 4.1%? 3/21 when the rate was 1.21%? or today where the rate is 1.51%? THere isn't a large enough data set to provide an accurate projection. And do we add the estimated # of infected (those that showed no symptoms of did not report? If so, how many?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:41 am to Yak
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If you really want to compare the 2, then extrapolate what the coronavirus deaths would be if it reached H1N1 infected levels.
It would be higher for corona as H1N1 has the benefit of some immunity and vaccinations, and that is reflected in a much lower infection rate.
Corona is completely new (no immunity) and WAY more contagious.
Corona is not like the flu. Corona is not like H1N1. Stahp comparing them.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:42 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Just take the L and move along
ell, that's between you and God.
Comparing the numbers isn't particularly useful, since you can have a more deadly virus that's less contagious (AIDS or Ebola), or some other cocktail of transmission efficiency, mortality, symptom severity, etc... You want to talk numbers because its the easiest way to say; "see, they don't compare!" That's a cop out only being made by those who want to disingenuously defend Obama and attack Trump. The media is hard on this narrative, so that sort of lifts the veil, don't you think?
There were over 500 dead by the time O declared a national emergency. Ultimately, we lost thousands. I think its absolutely fair to compare these responses, since that's really how this analogy is being used.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:42 am to ljhog
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Many people who have gotten it just stayed home for a few days treating it like it was the flu (rest & liquids).
The media keeps saying this, but they need to stop. This is anecdotal and there is currently no way to know for sure if this is true as there is no antibody testing being performed.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:42 am to BugAC
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THere isn't a large enough data set to provide an accurate projection. And do we add the estimated # of infected (those that showed no symptoms of did not report? If so, how many?
so the OP answered his own original question, can we lock this?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:42 am to BugAC
The 60 million infected with the H1N1 virus is only an estimate… Nothing more than a guess. It’s impossible to compare the two because you are trying to compare estimates versus a case study with definitives. The definitive being actual infected versus actual deaths. One could estimate that there are over 1 million people that are currently infected with the coronavirus as many have yet to be tested. Mortality rate at that point starts to look like traditional influencer.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:42 am to BobBoucher
quote:Thank you
It would be higher for corona as H1N1 has the benefit of some immunity and vaccinations, and that is reflected in a much lower infection rate.
Corona is completely new (no immunity) and WAY more contagious.
Corona is not like the flu. Corona is not like H1N1. Stahp comparing them.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:42 am to ljhog
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by an overreacting populace fueled by an over hyping politically motivated media.
No. By infected people that need to be hospitalized.
FFS how do you people manage to make it through daily life being this ignorant?
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you don't know this.
The trends suggest that we're definitely not at peak
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:43 am to Yak
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Now, tell me what the US COVID deaths would be if it reached H1N1 US infected levels.
Are they comparable?
Hard to tell, because the vast majority of people getting corona have no or limited symptoms, once the anti-body tests start rolling out. I would not be surprised by a death rate similar to the flu.
If the Oxford model is correct, than this could be significantly under the death rate of the flu. We'll see, its a serious bug for the old sick people but for the general population this thing is nothing.
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It would be higher for corona as H1N1 has the benefit of some immunity and vaccinations, and that is reflected in a much lower infection rate. Corona is completely new (no immunity) and WAY more contagious. Corona is not like the flu. Corona is not like H1N1. Stahp comparing them.
Its very possible that many more people have corona and people are immune already, its unknown right now.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:43 am to ljhog
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you don't know this. This virus has been here for months. Many people who have gotten it just stayed home for a few days treating it like it was the flu (rest & liquids).
More than likely has been in the US since fall of last year. NYE, Mardi Gras....many people who have gotten sick and recovered may have had it.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:44 am to TigahTeeth
I wish I could give you 10,000,000,000 upvotes...Spot on, my friend...
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:44 am to Yak
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Just take the L and move along
That was the easiest white flag I ever got.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:44 am to BugAC
That's based on almost nothing but wishful thinking on this board because 2 "experts" said it was possible.
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