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re: H1N1 vs. Coronavirus - Why are they not comparable?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:44 am to BugAC
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:44 am to BugAC
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Sure, based on what percentage? 3/9 when the mortality rate was measured at 4.1%? 3/21 when the rate was 1.21%? or today where the rate is 1.51%? THere isn't a large enough data set to provide an accurate projection. And do we add the estimated # of infected (those that showed no symptoms of did not report? If so, how many?
And the problem is the death rate is likely to go up because the system will be overwhelmed in problem areas and people won't be able to get treatment
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:45 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:How high are you right now?
That was the easiest white flag I ever got.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:47 am to PrinceVegeta
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Why are you boomers so fixated on this?
I'm not a boomer, you stupid frick.
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SARS-Cov-2 is much much worse than H1N1 Swine Flu. It's irrefutable at this point.
Yes, I'm a boomer and the doomsday predictions that aren't true are now "irrefutable".
bullshite.
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Political affiliations need to take a seat until this is over with and then we can get back to our usual nonsense.
Political affiliations have EVERYTHING to do with this, and I say this as someone who voted for Clinton in the 2008 primaries.
I guarantee you if Hilldawg was POTUS right now, I would be watching the Sweet 16 tonight.
The numbers that are supposedly "irrefutable" are nowhere near what we were told. There are not millions dead or bodies in the street.
I'm sick of the hysteria and I'm tired of being told if you don't agree with the hysterical numbers you are a "boomer".
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:49 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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There are not millions dead or bodies in the street.
Almost like the measures that most countries including our own are somewhat effective
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:50 am to Yak
Don't smoke in the house, but I do detect the smell of quitter.
I'll make it super easy to prove your point, champ. Find us two virus pandemics throughout any point in history, with similar mortality rates, transmission efficiencies, symptoms, hospitalizations, etc.. and we'll compare those.
I'll make it super easy to prove your point, champ. Find us two virus pandemics throughout any point in history, with similar mortality rates, transmission efficiencies, symptoms, hospitalizations, etc.. and we'll compare those.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:51 am to Powerman
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Almost like the measures that most countries including our own are somewhat effective
which is exactly why parsing the shite out of virus characteristics doesn't mean much.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:51 am to Powerman
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And the problem is the death rate is likely to go up because the system will be overwhelmed in problem areas and people won't be able to get treatment
Well, without data hard to say. As a guess, it looks like the ones that are old and sick crash, meaning hospitalization really doesn't work. In China 95% of the people put on vents died right there, never got out of the hospital. I would say this is somewhat confirmed by Italy not putting people over 60 on vents and even some of my inquiries to people here... it doesn't appear medical treatment is really working.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:52 am to Powerman
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And the problem is the death rate is likely to go up because the system will be overwhelmed in problem areas and people won't be able to get treatment
The same people who told us in January this wasn't a big deal then changed tune and told us what you stated above would peak sometime last week.
It still hasn't happened.
Will there be "hot spots"? Yes
Will there be more numbers coming back positive bc of tests? Yes
Will there be bodies in the streets? No
Please stop with the hysteria until it actually happens. Hell, now the idiots in academia that caused a lot of this nonsense are coming out and say "oops, we are sorry we messed up on our original predictions".
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:52 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Well, without data hard to say. As a guess, it looks like the ones that are old and sick crash, meaning hospitalization really doesn't work.
But even the overwhelming majority of the old survive. But it's because they have treatment.
If they don't have treatment the death rate could go up.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:53 am to BugAC
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H1N1 epidemic lasted from January 2009 to August 2010. Are we to shutdown our economy for 20 months? Or maybe, could we be dramatically overreacting for a virus that isnt as deadly as the media wants it to be?
The American populace has abandoned logic and rational thought. And the reality of that situation come to life and how it is playing out is way more terrifying than any virus.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:53 am to Powerman
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Almost like the measures that most countries including our own are somewhat effective
AGREED.
So why the continued hysteria?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:54 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Or, let's compare what the OP is asking, H1N1 vs. Coronavirus.
I'll make it super easy to prove your point, champ. Find us two virus pandemics throughout any point in history, with similar mortality rates, transmission efficiencies, symptoms, hospitalizations, etc.. and we'll compare those.
They are not comparable per the numbers.
But, apparently, they are comparable per the political response. You are dead set on trying to get me to argue politics rather than the OP and the numbers. Why? I don't give a shite about that.
You are trying to argue something that has no relevance to what I am arguing. So if that's the win you want, you got it. Here's your 24 internet points for the day.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:55 am to BugAC
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why is this ignored or shut down when someone compares the 2?
Because it blows the narrative that Black Jesus handled every crisis with grace and expertise out of the water.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:55 am to Powerman
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And the problem is the death rate is likely to go up because the system will be overwhelmed in problem areas and people won't be able to get treatment
I disagree, i think it's likely to go down as more testing is done and results come back. Not to mention, many that go to the hospitals do not need treatment. And also it appears that chloroquin is working for a lot of people, but we won't know how well until it is more widely distributed.
Have we heard of instances where we are being overwhelmed right now, in terms of # of severe cases? I'm asking, because even Fauci, a couple days ago, dismissed the idea that our hospitals are unable to help those that actually need it, not those that just want tests.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:58 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:56 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Political affiliations have EVERYTHING to do with this
Really? So the DNC is so well connected that they were able to get every world economy to shut down, have the EU finally close their borders, and create a situation that discourages globalism and encourage less reliance on Chinese produced goods. They did all of this with the only goal being to hurt Trump's economy...yeah, that seems legit.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:56 am to Yak
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If you really want to compare the 2, then extrapolate what the coronavirus deaths would be if it reached H1N1 infected levels.
Some people are so bad at math what you said just went over many of their heads
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:57 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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AGREED.
So why the continued hysteria?
This is more in response to people that are saying that we need to just go back to life as normal immediately.
Like this worthless sack of shite that currently has a 10-1 upvote to downvote ratio
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:58 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Some people are so bad at math what you said just went over many of their heads
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:58 am to Powerman
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But even the overwhelming majority of the old survive. But it's because they have treatment.
If they don't have treatment the death rate could go up.
The treatments given by the South Koreans don't need hospitalization i.e. anti-malaria drugs. If you are put on a vent, better have a will ready.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:59 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:58 am to BugAC
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I disagree, i think it's likely to go down as more testing is done and results come back.
Tests only confirm positive or negative. They don't help alleviate any of the health issues.
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Have we heard of instances where we are being overwhelmed right now, in terms of # of severe cases? I'm asking, because even Fauci, a couple days ago, dismissed the idea that our hospitals are unable to help those that actually need it, not those that just want tests.
In problem areas like New Orleans and New York they are absolutely about to get overwhelmed with people that do in fact need treatment.
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