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Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:40 pm to
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45835 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

The underlying disease is the fetishization of guns in America, which is what I'm addressing.


No. You're a really, really shitty researcher.

Tools are never an underlying cause.

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38373 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:46 pm to
I wish just once bamaATL wouldn't run away. Claims he's all about saving lives but put forward tangible ideas and goals that will give results and he abandons thread.

Like the whole "prevalence of guns leads to high suicide numbers"*

*except when it doesn't. But those examples dont count.

Or the whole we need background and mental health checks on firearms but selling alcohol to a repeat domestic abuse offender Is perfectly fine.

Or the whole "think of the children and I want to save lives"*

*except lives taken from alcohol/tobacco/sugar. Those deaths don't mean shite.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138833 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:49 pm to
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The crux of the argument is that adding additional obstacles (in this case, waiting periods) to gun purchases helps to lower gun violence.

That study doesn't prove waiting periods to be any sort of obstacle. Waiting periods, in theory, are meant to be a preventive of crimes of passion and also to allow for all background information to come in. The NICS system has eliminated the need of the later and without relevant data, which that study does not provide, there is no evidence that it reduces crimes of passion either.

quote:

They used homicides, not shootings. Because there wouldn't be any appreciable difference between medical care in states with and without waiting periods that would bias it one way or the other - it's all in the US.

If that's your hypothesis, then there's no reason not to use shootings rather than homicides.

quote:

Very cogent critique.


That was the summary of the multiple responses I gave to the study. Once again, your reading comprehension is terrible (which is why this thread is so long).



There is zero evidence that waiting periods actually save any sort of significant number of lives and the study you posted doesn't prove that in any way.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:52 pm to
You still haven't answered me


quote:

Sigh. You guys bitch and moan about lives, but you don't give a damn about them when the rubber hits the road. So fricking sad.

So you agree that my friend's suicide using a car means that you shouldn't have the right to own a vehicle then


Do you agree?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38373 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

You still haven't answered me


Good luck
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:58 pm to
Someone on this board previously said that if the press were forced to exercise, say, a 60-day waiting period before publishing any mass murderer's personal details - name, bio, photo, anything - we'd cut cut these incidents way the hell down.

I suspect this is true.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
138833 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:59 pm to
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Good luck

That's what I love about hacks like him. You present an example using their own logic then they disappear.


Reminds me of the guy on Tucker that said "you're the gender you claim to be". Tucker asked him if it was ok if he, who has the appearance of a man, applied for a Woman's SBA loan. The guy said it was a preposterous argument. Emotion is #1 for these people. Bama is a prime example of that.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

Someone on this board previously said that if the press were forced to exercise, say, a 60-day waiting period before publishing any mass murderer's personal details - name, bio, photo, anything - we'd cut cut these incidents way the hell down.

What does that have to do with gun control?
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
2756 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:00 pm to
The main thing that attracts me about 2nd amendment rights is the peace of mind that regardless how big and mean the threat bursting into my home may be, I have a somewhat equal chance to defend myself. 3 guys with baseball bats in a no gun society leaves little ole me with one baseball bat in a hopeless situation. The other thing is a national emergency situation would crop up with "every man for himself" scenario, I would stand some chance. Maybe, the outcome would be the same as if I had no gun, but i would sleep well throughout my life, and probably not ever need the guns.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
475623 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Someone on this board previously said that if the press were forced to exercise, say, a 60-day waiting period before publishing any mass murderer's personal details - name, bio, photo, anything - we'd cut cut these incidents way the hell down.


here you go
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
138833 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

here you go


Oh, so once again austintigerdad is incapable of sarcasm. I swear, it's almost a requirement for leftists these days.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

What does that have to do with gun control?
Seems like a way to reduce the motivation for committing mass murder with a firearm.

Granted, less than 1% of gun murders are mass shootings. Yet these seem to get most of the attention.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138833 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:04 pm to
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Seems like a way to reduce the motivation for committing mass murder with a firearm.

Not really.

Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Oh, so once again austintigerdad is incapable of sarcasm.
Sarcasm doesn't translate well to discussion board posts.

Unless you use .
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138833 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:06 pm to
I you couldn't grasp the fact that that was tongue-in-cheek, then there's no hope for you.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38373 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:09 pm to
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That's what I love about hacks like him. You present an example using their own logic then they disappear.


Bamaatl is just beyond simple. Access to guns causes more suicides! (Ignore all the countries with damn near zero private gun ownership with sky high suicide rates)

We should make sure the people who buy guns are mentally sound!

What? You're a habitual woman beater? Here's your pint of whiskey. Happy hitting! Oh you're suicidal? Here's your death juice to get the courage to off yourself!

We should focus on reducing needless deaths at the hands of guns (36,000 a year including suicide)
Have all the alcohol, tobacco, sugar you want! Who cares if over half a million people die as a result of alcohol/tobacco/sugar consumption.

In short... If you look up the word "hypocrite" in a dictionary, you get a one word definition. "BamaATL"

This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38373 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:11 pm to
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Sarcasm doesn't translate well to discussion board posts. Unless you use .


No... comes off condescending. Want to show you're being sarcastic, a much easier way would be ending with


/s
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138833 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:12 pm to
Just like all of their causes, they love the idea that it makes them feel morally superior to others because they "support life" yet conveniently ignore, and actually embrace and support, things like transgederism that end in a 40% suicide rate. If gun ownership resulted in those numbers, they'd be losing their fricking minds.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38373 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

transgederism that end in a 40% suicide rate.


That's not the transgenders fault. That's the fault of us "cis" people who just don't get it
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138833 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

That's not the transgenders fault. That's the fault of us "cis" people who just don't get it

Yep.

Just like it's not the fault of Chicago's inner city population, it's the fault of Indiana citizens being able to buy guns.
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