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re: Gun Control Discussion
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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clearly a ban would violate the 2A
I'm not talking about a ban, I'm talking about stricter laws around access.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:55 pm to upgrayedd
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That's completely irrelevant.
Sigh.
You guys bitch and moan about lives, but you don't give a damn about them when the rubber hits the road.
So fricking sad.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not a Randroid. no clue why you assumed as much
Libertarian.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:55 pm to BamaAtl
I lost track I think this is the 10th time now.... Idk your refusal to answer speaks volumes though.
Why aren't you calling for common sense alcohol control? Why do you feel that it's okay to sell domestic abusers alcohol to fuel their next domestic assault?
Why do you think it's okay to sell someone alcohol knowing they are exponentially more likely to commit suicide than had you not sold them alcohol?
Why do you think it's okay to sell habitual offenders alcohol when alcohol is a root cause of their criminal activity?
Why you you want to keep minorities down and in an ever revolving door of crime and incarceration due to alcohol addiction?
A simple mental health and background check could conpletely change these people's lives.
You're a cruel and shitty person for enabling such horrible and vindictive practices.
You'd think as a champion of minorities you would be on board with a plan that will overwhelmingly bring happiness and healthiness to minority communities by halting alcohol sales to at risk citizens.
Why aren't you calling for common sense alcohol control? Why do you feel that it's okay to sell domestic abusers alcohol to fuel their next domestic assault?
Why do you think it's okay to sell someone alcohol knowing they are exponentially more likely to commit suicide than had you not sold them alcohol?
Why do you think it's okay to sell habitual offenders alcohol when alcohol is a root cause of their criminal activity?
Why you you want to keep minorities down and in an ever revolving door of crime and incarceration due to alcohol addiction?
A simple mental health and background check could conpletely change these people's lives.
You're a cruel and shitty person for enabling such horrible and vindictive practices.
You'd think as a champion of minorities you would be on board with a plan that will overwhelmingly bring happiness and healthiness to minority communities by halting alcohol sales to at risk citizens.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:56 pm to BamaAtl
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Those 2 cities. Though I would be curious to know what % of the population of each city owns a gun - I'd put money that Houston has more. Not sure anyone has city-level data on ownership.
which is why we need that data
i imagine you'll see similar crime patterns in other states. i didn't look it up but i'll bet San Fran has a lower rate of gun violence than LA
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. I disagree that we lack sufficient data to say that more than demographics - namely differences in gun laws - plays a role when comparing other locales.
how many states do you want me to look up?
i'll volunteer 5 as a proffer
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:56 pm to BamaAtl
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I'm not talking about a ban
then stop using countries that enacted bans to compare to the US
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:57 pm to BamaAtl
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You guys bitch and moan about lives, but you don't give a damn about them when the rubber hits the road.
We can cut 99% of vehicular deaths by outlawing engines over 25mph. You in?
We can cut out half a million deaths a year if we make alcohol and tobacco illegal.
You in?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah that was terrible but mass killings are a VERY small portion of total gun violence in the US
Which is why I've said it's a terrible idea to craft policy around preventing them.
Better to prevent the violence/deaths as a whole.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:00 pm to beerJeep
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beerJeep
As I said, you're incapable of opining on the methodology of something like that.
Sit back in the corner, we'll find your hat.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:00 pm to BamaAtl
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Better to prevent the violence/deaths as a whole.
I agree. Let's ban transportation over 25mph and alcohol and tobacco.
Why are you focusing on 36k when we can knock out 500k+?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i didn't look it up but i'll bet San Fran has a lower rate of gun violence than LA
And a higher SES, so we'd expect a lower overall violent crime rate.
I'd also guess that if we ever got data on gun ownership %, LA is vastly higher than SF. Again, prevalence matters. So does access.
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how many states do you want me to look up?
There are a variety of studies done at the state level. They support my points.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:01 pm to BamaAtl
Awe that's cute. The only one in need of a dunce cap is you mon frere.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:02 pm to BamaAtl
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I disagree
That study shows a loose correlation between gun death rates in states with and without and waiting periods. It doesn't show how many firearms are used in the commission of homicides from the time they were purchased to within that waiting period time frame, i.e. X number of people were shot within X days of legally purchasing a firearm. They don't even address how many people are killed with legally purchased firearms. Not to mention that a real test is how many people are shot vs how many people are killed. Efficacy of medical care is a giant variable that should be accounted for.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:03 pm to BamaAtl
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Which is why I've said it's a terrible idea to craft policy around preventing them.
Better to prevent the violence/deaths as a whole.
which goes back to my question
as a whole, do the owners who own a disproportionate amount of guns account for a corresponding large % of violent gun crime?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:03 pm to BamaAtl
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And a higher SES, so we'd expect a lower overall violent crime rate.
exactly
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There are a variety of studies done at the state level. They support my points.
i'm looking at cities within state to control for the state gun laws
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:04 pm to BamaAtl
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Sigh.
You guys bitch and moan about lives, but you don't give a damn about them when the rubber hits the road.
So fricking sad.
So you agree that my friend's suicide using a car means that you shouldn't have the right to own a vehicle then.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:04 pm to BamaAtl
Care to explain why you are not for common sense mental health and background checks on alcohol yet?
It's extremely sad that you're perfectly okay with selling a man who beats his wife and kids alcohol.
It's extremely sad you'd push a young adult towards suicide at the bottom of a bottle rather than talking about his issues.
It's extremely disappointing that you would victimize minority communities with unhindered access to alcohol and tobacco.
It's extremely sad that you're perfectly okay with selling a man who beats his wife and kids alcohol.
It's extremely sad you'd push a young adult towards suicide at the bottom of a bottle rather than talking about his issues.
It's extremely disappointing that you would victimize minority communities with unhindered access to alcohol and tobacco.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:07 pm to BamaAtl
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Because suicides are also dead Americans, and we should try to prevent that.
I always thought you were a their body=their choice kind of a girl.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:08 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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I always thought you were a their body=their choice kind of a girl.
Boom
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