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re: Gun Control Discussion
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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let's just end any discussion of a "buyback"
As a sole change in gun laws, I agree.
As a portion of a broader restructuring of our gun laws aimed at lowering both the ease of access and prevalence of firearms in the country, I disagree. It's worthwhile to consider it in that context.
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effectively banning them
Not at all. That's the straw man you trot out in every thread, but I'm not proposing a gun ban of any particular gun model aside from those already banned.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:25 pm to BamaAtl
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That's all I am here.
Care to explain the suicide rate of japan/france/south korea/nordic countries yet?
Why do you think it's okay to sell a domestic abuser alcohol? Why do you think it's okay to sell a rapist alcohol? Why do you think it's okay to sell someone with mental illness something that exponentially increases the likelihood they commit suicide?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:25 pm to Jbird
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How would it impact a criminal intent on using a weapon?
Hard to use a weapon with criminal intent if you don't have said weapon handy, wouldn't you agree?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:25 pm to BamaAtl
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Not yet, but you mentioned that they should focus on the demographics.
yes, as in what did Austin do to get better than Houston
since they never implemented a UBI, why would that be a logical proposal for Houston?
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Yeah, they're not. If we strengthened Texas's gun laws as a whole, both Austin and San Antonio and Houston would see dips in gun deaths.
but if we made every city Austin, we would have even fewer and without trampling on the rights of citizens
sounds more optimal to me
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:26 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Already there and funded.
additional parameters like mental health status and domestic violence issues,
How about enforcing it?
quote:What has this got to do with it?
ed-flag suspicious volumes of purchases
Mass shootings are done with one or two.
Suicide only requires ONE.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:26 pm to Redbone
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No, it's been done by lefties and only to the point that they get the answer they started out looking for.
Yeah, that's an inaccurate statement on your part.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:27 pm to BamaAtl
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I'm sure Australia and the UK thought the same thing, before they decided it wasn't acceptable to watch their citizens die because guns are fun, and did something about it.
they don't have the restraints of a 2nd Amendment and banned guns, for all intents and purposes
why do you keep going back to these countries as your examples if your'e not proposing similar policies that these countries implemented?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:27 pm to BamaAtl
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more sources for data, additional parameters like mental health status and domestic violence issues, mandatory on all purchases (even private seller), going into a database that could be used to red-flag suspicious volumes of purchases, etc.
That's already included in background checks. What else would you add to that?
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Gun deaths. Not all, obviously, but a noticeable portion of them.
No, it won't. There is zero evidence of that. If you want to provide objective data proving that point, feel free.
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Something akin to Japan's firearm training would be nice, but who says I only want to prevent mass shootings? Let's prevent all (or as many as possible) of the excess gun deaths in our country
So how does training prevent murders or suicide?
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Some percentage of people willing to commit a heinous act are deterred by obstacles placed in their way.
What you propose isn't an obstacle. Especially if they have no record.
You're suspending reality and human nature to spout off your ideological mantra.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:27 pm to BamaAtl
Gonna explain those suicide rates yet? Remember, your whole argument is "acres to guns leads to a high suicide rate"
Care to explain why you think it's okay to sell mentally ill and domestic abusers alcohol?
Why aren't you for common sense mental health screenings and background checks on alcohol purchases?
Care to explain why you think it's okay to sell mentally ill and domestic abusers alcohol?
Why aren't you for common sense mental health screenings and background checks on alcohol purchases?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you are the only person discussing total gun deaths and including suicides
You left out the next thing I posted. MORE GUNS = MORE GUN MURDERS
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why are you responding to people talking about gun violence against others with data about suicides?
Because suicides are also dead Americans, and we should try to prevent that. Why don't you want to save American lives?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:27 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Not going to happen fool.
Hard to use a weapon with criminal intent if you don't have said weapon handy, wouldn't you agree?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:28 pm to BamaAtl
quote:I'll agree.
Hard to use a weapon with criminal intent if you don't have said weapon handy, wouldn't you agree?
Confiscation would fix this FERSHUR!
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:28 pm to BamaAtl
Gonna explain those suicide rates yet? Remember, your whole argument is "acres to guns leads to a high suicide rate"
Care to explain why you think it's okay to sell mentally ill and domestic abusers alcohol?
Why aren't you for common sense mental health screenings and background checks on alcohol purchases?
5th times the charm! Come on bitchatl. Let's hear it.
Care to explain why you think it's okay to sell mentally ill and domestic abusers alcohol?
Why aren't you for common sense mental health screenings and background checks on alcohol purchases?
5th times the charm! Come on bitchatl. Let's hear it.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:29 pm to Redbone
quote:Like the war on drugs worked.
Confiscation would fix this FERSHUR!
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:29 pm to BamaAtl
quote:No it isn't. I've seen some and they are incomplete.
Yeah, that's an inaccurate statement on your part.
You opinion doesn't change that.
I listed a few factors that were left out.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:29 pm to BamaAtl
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Because suicides are also dead Americans, and we should try to prevent that. Why don't you want to save American lives?
Because these people don't want to live. My right to own a gun shouldn't be predicated on the fact that some people want to die by their own hand.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:31 pm to Jbird
What if I proposed banning black people to cut our violent crime rate in half?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:31 pm to BamaAtl
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Why don't you want to save American lives?
Says the man perfectly okay with selling a woman beater alcohol so he can go get drunk and beat his wife again. Says the man who thinks it's okay for tobacco to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. Says the man who thinks it's okay for the automobile industry to be responsible for thousands of deaths in their metal death traps.
Why are you only for 36,000 deaths (with suicides) but not the 500,000 deaths caused by alcohol/tobacco/sugar each year?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:31 pm to BamaAtl
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As a portion of a broader restructuring of our gun laws aimed at lowering both the ease of access and prevalence of firearms in the country, I disagree. It's worthwhile to consider it in that context.
why? i posted an article saying they weren't effective
and to go back to my original response, assuming no gun ban, people will just buy them for more than the government will
the only reason buybacks were economical in the UK and AUS was because the guns were banned and had a negative economic value (since it is illegal to own them, they actually have a risk, so therefore a cost. without that risk, they'd be worth $0).
scope is a big deal, too. how many guys do you think would put a dent in our gun violence problem? approximately 300M are legally owned. do you want the feds to buy back 100M guns? 200M?
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but I'm not proposing a gun ban of any particular gun model aside from those already banned.
yeah you're go to examples are countries that did ban guns, though
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they don't play a part in the Houston v. Austin discussion, though b/c that variable is the exact same
Which is why it's instructive for you to realize that demographics also play a part.
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again, you can find similar variables that predict gun violence much more than lax, state gun laws, and they will be the same that explain the difference in Houston and Austin's violent gun crime stats.
You've just illustrated how important it is to adjust for certain demographic variables when comparing locations.
Baltimore and Irvine have drastically different gun laws and gun violence rates, but that's because they're fundamentally not the same place. The same can be said of Austin and Houston.
My point is that when you adjust for the differences between Baltimore and Irvine, you find that the difference in gun laws can explain still-existing differences in gun violence rates.
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