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re: Great news! Azithromycin & Chloroquine: victory lap

Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:57 am to
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:57 am to
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Take test...45 minutes doc gets results and calls in cocktail.... 6 days later cured.


Bam!
Posted by nctiger71
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2017
1422 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 11:52 am to
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You will not get this treatment if you are not severe so it really doesn’t matter.

Dr. Mederith Clement with the LSU Health Sciences Center in NO was on Laura Ingraham last night.
I think what I heard her say they are doing is:
- positive test, mild or no symptoms: no treatment
- more severe to very severe: hcq prescribed
- on a ventilator: the other medicine that starts with an R.

She could/would not report on the results nor did she say how many were being treated.

She did say she would come back on the show and give a progress report.

I can not find a video on line or I would link it.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 11:55 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55729 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 11:59 am to
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Dr. Mederith Clement with the LSU Health Sciences Center in NO was on Laura Ingraham last night. I think what I heard her say they are doing is: - positive test, mild or no symptoms: no treatment - more severe to very severe: hcq prescribed - on a ventilator: the other medicine that starts with an R. She could/would not report on the results nor did she say how many were being treated. She did say she would come back on the show and give a progress report. I can not find a video on line or I would link it.


I watched that segment, Dr. Clement was exactly what you want from a responsible doctor. She didn't throw a wet blanket on the prospects of HCQ providing great therapeutic treatment for COVID19 while also not touting HCQ as a miracle treatment.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68795 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:01 pm to
A “cure”. What a joke
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:02 pm to
I don’t expect it to be a miracle cure. If it can shift people’s treatment it will be a game changer.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:04 pm to
If this treatment helps, all you sad sacks are going to be once again exposed as rooting against humanity because you hate Trump.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2270 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:50 pm to
It's not a cure. HCQ is a prophylactic in that it helps prevent the rapid growth in your body.

Your body, in a sense kills itself when infected in this manner. Your immune system goes into overdrive giving you a fever and congestion in your lungs to fight the disease. Those factors can kill you. The Z-pak is anti-bacterial and helps in the prevention of bacteria formation in your lungs.

HCQ is not a cure but it can substantially inhibit the reproduction cycle, to where you are more able to deal with it.

Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:54 pm to
HCQ is believed to also help suppress an overreaction by the immune system.

The z-pak wards off secondary infections - which is what ultimately kills most folks with severe CV pneumonia.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47571 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:00 pm to
Its sad how mad some people are that this thing might actually be over.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46368 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:07 pm to
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And the study wasn’t blinded, meaning the patients knew what they were getting, nor was it randomized. That limits the scientific merit of the study."

So, you’re suggesting the placebo effect will cure Covid? That’s even better news.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95622 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:07 pm to
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HCQ is believed to also help suppress an overreaction by the immune system.



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The z-pak wards off secondary infections - which is what ultimately kills most folks with severe CV pneumonia.



Now, this is essentially true, but with a caveat: HCQ was developed to treat malaria (as was "plain" Chloroquine Phosphate), as were all of the drugs in that category, probably the most famous of which is quinine before the recent spotlight on HCQ (Plaquenil).

These drugs are toxic and dangerous (Chloroquine more so than HCQ) and are generally limited in the United States to lupus and rheumatoid arthritis (both autoimmune disorders). While primarily antiviral in nature, they also suppress the immune system, thus z-pak or other moderate-to-strong antibiotic cycle is indicated to avoid secondary infections.

Without further study, we won't be sure if it is the directly antiviral properties or some combination of antiviral and immune system suppression that gives it its punch (if any is realized) against the Wuhan virus. It would be ironic if some suppression of the immune system is in order with compromised immune system being a critical risk factor for this particular virus.

One good thing that has come out of the AIDS epidemic - the human race got really smart about fighting viruses again, having relied on vaccine and geography for far too long.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Sull
Tulip, LA
Member since Aug 2006
4059 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:10 pm to
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once again exposed as rooting against humanity because you hate Trump.


a sick, twisted, backward and somewhat evil mindset
Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:10 pm to
Great news!

(What can the Dims do to screw this up?)
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:28 pm to
I agree about the potential side effects, but we really don’t have time to split hairs.

I remember hearing my parents’ friends who were in Vietnam complaining about quinine.

Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
131540 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:30 pm to
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I remember hearing my parents’ friends who were in Vietnam complaining about quinine.


Hydroxychloroquine has a much much better safety profile than quinine
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:31 pm to
True...but it’s not as bad f quinine was killing soldiers.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95622 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:50 pm to
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I agree about the potential side effects, but we really don’t have time to split hairs.


No question. We generally know what safe doses are and the risks of treatment. What the "scientist" docs are concerned about is the quantifiable benefit, so that a more informed decision can be made about incurring that known risk for some unspecified benefit.

Frankly, for a novel disease with an alarming (if relatively low in the grand scheme of things) risk, depending on individual demographics and morbidities, such concerns should be secondary at a certain point.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89010 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:52 pm to
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A “cure”. What a joke


You’re a despicable individual.

Everyone can see what you’re about here.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110910 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:53 pm to
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A “cure”. What a joke


You’re a despicable individual.

Everyone can see what you’re about here.


Dude has completely exposed himself to be a total unmitigated piece of shite.
Posted by nctiger71
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2017
1422 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 1:55 pm to
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I watched that segment, Dr. Clement was exactly what you want from a responsible doctor. She didn't throw a wet blanket on the prospects of HCQ providing great therapeutic treatment for COVID19 while also not touting HCQ as a miracle treatment.

I was just hoping she would report something similar to the doc from NY that said he had success w/ 350 of the 350 he had treated w/ hcq.

I rewatched the interview and she said they are treating mild cases w/ risk factors w/ hcq.
And the most severe on ventilators are treated w/ hcq until they get Compassionate Care approval to use R.

She said they have 4 categories of treatment and all the hospitals and pharmacies in NO had agreed on using the same protocol.
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