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re: Great gif from the Kavanaugh ceremony tonight

Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:34 am to
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:34 am to
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Thomas is an incredible justice. He cannot be replaced. He is 70. RBG is 85. He could make it through Trump, the next POTUS, and into the next one. I understand you are risk averse. But Thomas retiring even right now is a risk because as I said you cannot find with any assurance any justice that will be as steadfastly on our side as him.

I don't want to lose our GREATEST justice who still has YEARS left just because we're SCARED of MAYBE getting a liberal one day if it HAPPENS to work out a certain way with elections and his health


Liberals were saying this about about super liberal RBG in Obama's first term and they're shitting their pants now praying she holds on for 2020 much less 2024.

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you cannot find with any assurance any justice that will be as steadfastly on our side as him.


I would still take someone who may not be as conservative as Thomas but still on the level of Alito or Gorsuch and that is far more preferable than the horror show disgrace of Thomas being replaced by a communist.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:39 am to
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Liberals were saying this about about super liberal RBG in Obama's first term and they're shitting their pants now praying she holds on for 2020 much less 2024. 
I don't care. The other team went for a 2 point conversion and failed. Doesn't mean we should never try. Times and circumstances are not the same anyway
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I would still take someone who may not be as conservative as Thomas but still on the level of Alito or Gorsuch and that is far more preferable than the horror show disgrace of Thomas being replaced by a communist.
Sure, but those aren't the options. That's just a worst case scenario. Personally I think Communism is a losing strategy in America, and I think all this winning (and proving that) isn't over yet
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:46 am to
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The other team went for a 2 point conversion and failed.


When they didn't have to.

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Doesn't mean we should never try.


We don't have to right now but if Thomas stays on, we will absolutely have to.

Two point conversions happen only when you're forced to do it.

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Times and circumstances are not the same anyway


All the more reason why Thomas should retire.

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Personally I think Communism is a losing strategy in America


If you really want to make sure it stays that way, you will want to keep communists off the court for as long as you can and that includes Thomas being replaced by another like minded conservative that's 25 years younger.

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I think all this winning (and proving that) isn't over yet


I will never say something like that when dealing with something so fickle like 50 different elections and two different institutions in the Senate and White House.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:50 am to
We are going to have to agree to disagree
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:57 am to
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We are going to have to agree to disagree



Indeed.

Like you said, I'm just risk averse and looking ahead to the future and want to make sure there's absolutley 100% zero, no chance communists will get the SCOTUS majority for at least 30 years by replacing justices that are pushing or past 70.

Clarence Thomas at his age right now is too big of a risk to stay on.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 12:58 am
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:59 am to
If we let the Commies back in the White House and Senate, they will stack it anyways. They have no qualms. Hell, they're telling us. We need to focus on them not getting power again instead of cutting off our nose just in case they do
Posted by DallasTiger11
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:49 am to
RBG is fifteen years older than Thomas. I feel like you are ignoring that. Thomas may not even want to stop working for awhile.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 5:14 am to
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A conservative being replaced by a conservative will go smoothly.


No it won’t. There isn’t not a conservative justice on earth that could garner more than 3 democratic votes in this current climate. 99% of all dems will vote no based on the party line.
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 5:38 am to
I cannot imagine there is a more proud, understanding, or sympathetic person on this planet to Kavenaugh than Clarence Thomas.
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 5:47 am to
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My take is RBG wasn't reading tea leaves. She had assurance that it was rigged in Hillary's favor. And they tried, but failed, as we all could sense during those strange waning hours on Election Night when they refused to call it. Trump has now blown things up, and Thomas may be able to get a more honest assessment. Trump is on track to roll through 2020 easy right now, and 2024 is a complete mystery. Give it time.


I love Clarence Thomas, but if the red wave happens and the Republicans get a solid majority in the Senate I hope he announces he retirement in a live press conference the next day. The melt would be substantially amazing
Posted by member12
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:23 am to
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Clarence Thomas look like he just won the lottery, god bless that man, he will always be my favorite SCOTUS.


Democrats tried to ruin Thomas with bullshite accusations too.
Posted by member12
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:29 am to
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Clarence Thomas at his age right now is too big of a risk to stay on.



Thomas has a shorter life expectancy than RBG. Male privilege and all.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:34 am to
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Trump is on track to roll through 2020 easy right now


Your a fool if you believe this. This kind of attitude is exactly what is going to cause our country to lose him.
Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:36 am to
It all depends on RBG. If she goes downhill this term and retires, then CT can wait as long as he likes because the new court would be 6-3 and if he waited too long it would be 5-4.

If RBG makes it through this SC term and the Reps improve their numbers in the Senate, CT might step down .
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:36 am to
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg celebrates 25 years in the Supreme Court today — here's when she and her colleagues could retire

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg celebrates 25 years in the Supreme Court today — and while she has vowed to stay on in the role, people have been left wondering when she might retire, and when other seats on the court might become vacant.

The retirement of one judge in July has given Trump a chance to nominate the conservative Brett Kavanaugh and has left people wondering if he might get the chance to model the court in his image by replacing Ginsburg or another judge.

Business Insider has calculated an average retirement age and tenure length for the last 11 justices to retire, going back to Justice Warren E. Burger, who quit in 1986.

The average age of retirement for the past 11 justices was 80. These justices spent an average of 27 years in the court (according to the Supreme Court website, the all-time average is shorter, at 16 years).

We have averaged the two metrics to reach a ballpark year that the justices could retire based on precedent. It is worth remembering this is a rough prediction and a justice can leave the Supreme Court at any time for any reason.

Scroll down to see where each Supreme Court justice stands — and when the figures suggest their term could end.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Predicted departure: Two years ago

Age: 85 (5 years past average retirement)
Tenure: 25 years (2 years less than average)

Friday marks the 25th anniversary of Ginsburg's confirmation to the US Supreme Court.

Born in 1933, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is now 85 years old — four years than older Kennedy, and five years past the average retirement age.

She took her seat on the Supreme Court in 1993 after a nomination from Bill Clinton. Her tenure is currently two years shorter than the average.

In July, Ginsburg signaled that she hopes to stay in the Supreme Court for at least another five years.

She also told PBS in January that she would adopt the plan of former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, who retired at the age of 90.

She further suggested that would be sticking to these plans and that she would not retire before the end of Trump's term as president by hiring four full-time law clerks through to 2020 - a move that is not typical for justices who plan on stepping down.

Ginsburg, who has become something of a liberal icon, said in February: "As long as I can do the job full steam, I will be here."

Stephen Breyer. Predicted departure: 2021

Age: 79 (1 year before average retirement)
Tenure: 24 years (3 years less than average)

At 79, Breyer has not made any suggestion that he will retire soon. He is a year younger than the average retirement age, and his tenure is currently three years shorter than the average.

Breyer has been a Supreme Court Justice since August 1994, following a nomination from President Bill Clinton.

As a liberal justice, Breyer may want to continue in office to prevent a conservative pick gaining his seat.

Clarence Thomas. Predicted departure: 2024

Age: 70 (10 years before average retirement)
Tenure: 26 years (1 year less than average)

Highly conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas is 70, having served on the court since October 1991 after a nomination from George Bush. He is 10 years younger than the average retirement age, but he started relatively young, so his tenure is now just one year shorter than the average.

When rumors that a Supreme Court justice was to retire emerged, some wondered if Thomas would go instead of Kennedy.

Thomas made no public comment about this. A 2016 report that said he would retire was rejected by his wife, Ginni, on Facebook. She wrote: "IT. IS. BOGUS!"

Sonia Sotomayor. Predicted departure: 2036

Age: 64 (16 years before average retirement)
Tenure: 9 years (18 years less than average)

At 64, Sotomayor has only served on the court since August 2009, after a nomination from President Barack Obama. She is 16 years younger than the average retirement age, and her tenure is currently 18 years behind the average length.

But Trump has reportedly said he believes he will be able to replace Sotomayor, citing her health. Trump has talked about Sotomayor's Type 1 diabetes, sources told to news website Axios, saying: "Her health, no good. Diabetes."

Paramedics were called to Sotomayor's house in January, but she went back to work that day following treatment for low blood sugar. She was not hospitalised, Politico reported.

Sotomayor previously described herself as "super vigilant" about her condition.

As with the other liberal judges, she may well want to keep her seat for the near future to prevent it going to a conservative judge.

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As a subtopic to this thread. I don't care what anybody says. I have no doubt that Obama not only spied on his political enemies, News Reporters, Congress, everybody and their madre,' but also the Supreme Court Justices he wanted to blackmail.

Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:39 am to
Breyer looks like he's shaking his head about Ginsburg not being able to stand up for 10 seconds without issue.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:43 am to
My brother is a lawyer in the DC area. He knows people that are close to Kavanaugh and the word in legal circles is that he is probably the best legal scholar around. Also, one of my brother's law professors years ago had clerked for Thomas. He was told that Thomas was a great, great man.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167024 posts
Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:51 am to
according to this WaPo graph, Garland is more left than RBG. RIGHT is right and LEFT is left.

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Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 7:08 am to
Justice Kavanaugh will join in two cases today

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