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re: God Emperor: Illegals should be deported with "no judges or court cases"
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:34 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:34 pm to joshnorris14
GTFO!
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Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:37 pm to clooneyisgod
So you agree with over symplistic theories now?
No independent thought at all from the opposition.
Idiots and subhuman.
Gas chambers next mein heir?
No independent thought at all from the opposition.
Idiots and subhuman.
Gas chambers next mein heir?
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:38 pm to novabill
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And crimes are selectively prosecuted all the time. We can defer any criminal proceedings
But why would you want to?
For one thing, lower costs to American Taxpayers.
Deport civilly immediately with a notice to appear criminally at a later date. You really think the typical deportee is gonna show up in 3 years for the criminal hearing on the illegal entry? Just deport immediately on the civil infraction and be rid of the alien trespasser.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:41 pm to AggieHank86
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So, ICE asks Miguel (or Sven) for ID on a street in San Antonio, and he does not have one on his person. We automatically load Miguel (or Sven) onto a bus and dump him in Acuna, right?
You frickers really move shite around trying to make a point, don’t you?
First of all, the tweet that this entire thread is based on explicitly refers to ILLEGAL immigrants.
My post you responded to explicitly referred to those caught in the act of illegally crossing the border.
You somehow extrapolate both of these to a scenario where a guy is at a restaurant on the San Antonio Riverwalk and forgot his wallet at home.
You people are nuts. No point in even talking to you at this point.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:41 pm to gthog61
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If he doesn't like it he should support better enforcement at the border so that the country isn't crawling with illegals.
An excellent point. There will be far fewer people caught in web of bureaucracy if you nip it where it starts.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:43 pm to joshnorris14
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In criminal law, Any pain, penalty, suffering, or confinement inflicted upon a person by the authority of the law and the judgment and sentence of a court, for some crime or offense committed by him, or for his omission of a duty enjoined by law. See Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wall. 320, 18 L. Ed. 356; Featherstone v. People, 194 111. 325, 02 N. E. 084; Ex parte Howe, 20 Or. 181, 37 Pac. 530; State v. Grant, 79 Mo. 129, 49 Am. Rep. 218.
They have to detain/confine them while they transport them.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:45 pm to joshnorris14
But without a court case, how can it be proven they are:
1. Here illegally; and
2. Not eligible for asylum
The whole purpose of these courts is to provide some form of substantial due process.
1. Here illegally; and
2. Not eligible for asylum
The whole purpose of these courts is to provide some form of substantial due process.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:49 pm to joshnorris14
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Trump says illegal immigrants should be deported with 'no judges or court cases'.
Been waiting for this.
I've expected him to say fine we won't break up families, we won't hold families, instead we will just send them right back
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:59 pm to kingbob
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But without a court case, how can it be proven they are:
1. Here illegally; and
2. Not eligible for asylum
The whole purpose of these courts is to provide some form of substantial due process.
Legal immigrants must carry the documents at all times. (yes, even at the beach/lake/swimming pool)
If said persons are illegally (without documents) in the USA and DID NOT ENTER THROUGH A PROPER BORDER STATION then they have not applied for asylum.
So, back across the river, go through the proper entry. THEN we'll see about asylum.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 5:59 pm to joshnorris14
If legal DOIT
Posted on 6/24/18 at 6:00 pm to Dale51
Firstly, it's about GD time an elected official with sense (GEOTUS) is saying this stuff. We pay lawyers, judges, military, HHS, food, water, etc. to house these people awaiting trial??? If we stop this and ship them back immediately we will have enough $$$ to build the wall ourselves (Mexico is still paying for it thought)!!!
Secondly, in regards to shipping them to their home countries we need to ask why? These illegals trek thru Mexico and from the coverage of the last massive caravan it appears Mexico aids them and lets them pass thru. We need to suspend all aid to Mexico for allowing illegals to pass thru and ship all current illegals to Mexico and let them deal with the crisis they are allowing to occur. This is a hypothetical dream as it will only work with Mexico begging for $$$ aid & NAFTA $$$ and we will need the wall built to keep them out.
Secondly, in regards to shipping them to their home countries we need to ask why? These illegals trek thru Mexico and from the coverage of the last massive caravan it appears Mexico aids them and lets them pass thru. We need to suspend all aid to Mexico for allowing illegals to pass thru and ship all current illegals to Mexico and let them deal with the crisis they are allowing to occur. This is a hypothetical dream as it will only work with Mexico begging for $$$ aid & NAFTA $$$ and we will need the wall built to keep them out.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 6:01 pm to Antonio Moss
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This isn't a good analogy unless the trespasser is claiming he has the right to be there.
If he claims he has a right to be there and the cops physically remove him without his consent, he is absolutely being punished.
So ALL one has to do is to claim A right to avoid punishment?
Wow, I did not know
Posted on 6/24/18 at 6:14 pm to Sidicous
So someone who doesn’t have their drivers license on them is presumed to be an illegal immigrant and can be deported with no chance after arrest to prove they’re here legally? What about illegals with drivers licenses? There is zero chance that policy would survive constitutional challenge.
This post was edited on 6/24/18 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 6/24/18 at 6:20 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Or you are a globalist that doesn’t want borders and for the US to be every “shithole’s” piggy bank.
Or maybe you just trust our govt more than I do.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 6:44 pm to kingbob
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So someone who doesn’t have their drivers license on them is presumed to be an illegal immigrant
No not someone, just You dummy. Stop moving the goalposts!
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after arrest
Not arrested, "detained", "custodial detention". Then "assisted in relocation".
No arrest, no trial, no reason for a court challenge to test constitutionality.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 6:55 pm to Sidicous
Simply calling it a different name doesn't change what it is. Authorities are stopping someone, taking custody of them, and bringing them some place else. Semantics are the fallback of tyrants.
A public entity cannot terminate a right without a pre-termination hearing where the person at risk of losing that right is afforded the opportunity to put forth evidence as to why that right should not be taken away. This applies to more than just criminal trials, but also insurance benefits, employment with a government agency, welfare, etc. There are few rights more essential than the right to remain in the United States.
One accused of being an illegal entrant must have the opportunity to prove that they are not, and the burden of proof must be on the government to prove that they are, just like with the termination of any other right. You should want that to be the case, because as soon as you give the government a weapon to accomplish a desired end, that weapon doesn't go away when someone who opposes you takes control of that government. I don't want a progressive in charge that decides to deport me during my morning jog (I rarely have my license because my shorts don't have pockets) without the opportunity to prove that I'm a citizen. Our system is designed to protect the wrongfully accused. This is important to maintain because a government that can take everything from someone you don't like will eventually take everything from you. That is the nature of government. It's best not to entrust governments with powers that could be easily abused towards tyranny, even when that government promises to only use it to do something seemingly reasonable and necessary.
A public entity cannot terminate a right without a pre-termination hearing where the person at risk of losing that right is afforded the opportunity to put forth evidence as to why that right should not be taken away. This applies to more than just criminal trials, but also insurance benefits, employment with a government agency, welfare, etc. There are few rights more essential than the right to remain in the United States.
One accused of being an illegal entrant must have the opportunity to prove that they are not, and the burden of proof must be on the government to prove that they are, just like with the termination of any other right. You should want that to be the case, because as soon as you give the government a weapon to accomplish a desired end, that weapon doesn't go away when someone who opposes you takes control of that government. I don't want a progressive in charge that decides to deport me during my morning jog (I rarely have my license because my shorts don't have pockets) without the opportunity to prove that I'm a citizen. Our system is designed to protect the wrongfully accused. This is important to maintain because a government that can take everything from someone you don't like will eventually take everything from you. That is the nature of government. It's best not to entrust governments with powers that could be easily abused towards tyranny, even when that government promises to only use it to do something seemingly reasonable and necessary.
This post was edited on 6/24/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:02 pm to kingbob
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the burden of proof must be on the government
Wrong!
from the other thread 8 CFR1235.3
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the burden of proof rests with the alien to affirmatively show that he or she has the required continuous physical presence in the United States.
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I don't want a progressive in charge that decides to deport me during my morning jog (I rarely have my license because my shorts don't have pockets) without the opportunity to prove that I'm a citizen.
And do you often jog around the Southern US Border? Through the middle of the desert Southwest, during night, along with 13-30 of your closest friends and their kids?
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:03 pm to kingbob
You're very wrong. See the thread I posted recently.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:05 pm to udtiger
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A citizen isn't sneaking across the border
They're not grabbing most of these people at the border. They are sweeping through New York and Ohio and Arkansas and everywhere where you might expect citizens to be.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:09 pm to Scoop
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First of all, the tweet that this entire thread is based on explicitly refers to ILLEGAL immigrants.
My post you responded to explicitly referred to those caught in the act of illegally crossing the border.
You somehow extrapolate both of these to a scenario where a guy is at a restaurant on the San Antonio Riverwalk and forgot his wallet at home.
You are so confused about this mythical illegal who is emerging up the muddy bank of the Rio Grande that you have blinded yourself to what is really going on. People are being arrested EVERYWHERE. You must have a system which investigates whether they are a citizen, permanent resident, tourist visa holder, etc. People don't have signs that say "ILLEGAL."
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