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re: God Emperor: Illegals should be deported with "no judges or court cases"
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:10 pm to Sidicous
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:10 pm to Sidicous
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And do you often jog around the Southern US Border? Through the middle of the desert Southwest, during night, along with 13-30 of your closest friends and their kids?
No, but rules with little opportunity to be challenged can be applied in some pretty absurd ways (just look at the expansion of the Commerce clause)
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the burden of proof rests with the alien to affirmatively show that he or she has the required continuous physical presence in the United States.
Like I said, that's not going to sustain Constitutional challenge unless the rule also includes some other factors such as what you described (insert stereotypical scene of immigrants sneaking into the U.S.).
We cannot give our government an inch or they will take a mile. Just look at the Patriot Act. Congress gave the executive branch the power to spy on terrorists, so they turn it into spying on every single American citizen, and weaponize those tools to attempt to derail an opposing political campaign. Did anyone think that the Patriot Act would be used in that way when it was voted on? What about the droning of American citizens without due process? What about declarations of who is/isn't an enemy combatant with no chance to challenge that presumption? What's to stop the government from deciding you are the enemy? This is why the Constitution and the protections it affords are so important. We cannot allow loopholes or they will be exploited by our government against the very people the document was designed to protect.
This post was edited on 6/24/18 at 7:12 pm
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Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:11 pm to Sidicous
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the burden of proof rests with the alien to affirmatively show that he or she has the required continuous physical presence in the United States.
So I suppose this board would cheer then if a citizen gets "detained" and then repatriated to some other country without trial.
Its not like they could screw this up, or have an agenda. Its not like agents would have petty beef to settle or alter records to put someone in jail for malicious or even political reasons.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:14 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Its not like they could screw this up, or have an agenda. Its not like agents would have petty beef to settle or alter records to put someone in jail for malicious or even political reasons.
This!
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:14 pm to Sidicous
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Deport civilly immediately with a notice to appear criminally at a later date.
Lets hope CBP never pulls you without your license or passport.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:37 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Lets hope CBP never pulls you without your license or passport.
Considering I cannot recall ever seeing a CBP vehicle or agent EVER in my life except on TV/movie screen, I am not worried. Considering in maybe 5 seconds or less of speaking to me they would have zero reason to think I was not a natural born citizen, no worries.
As far as people with agendas in govt., recent times have shown laws do not matter and do not effect agendas (Hillary bathroom server ring a bell? FBI/DOJ/NSA/etc. investigating a political campaign through fraudulent FISA ring a bell? going back some, how about Iran/Contra and cocaine for guns ring a bell?). If anyone is a target of an agenda they got zero chance anyway unless a self made billionaire.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:40 pm to Stingy
quote:quote:No! We don't have proceedings to make sure Americans are not criminals. Show ID or GTFO! And they should have to take a liberal with them for punishment.
Shouldn't there be a proceeding to make sure somebody is an actual illegal?
Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face. This isn’t about whether illegal aliens have rights - it’s about whether YOU have rights. If you don’t understand how those two things are related, then you have entirely missed the point of “inalienable rights” and due process.. Thank God that the Supreme Court, and not the electorate, determines the constitutionality of these types of policies.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:42 pm to lostinbr
Everyone is at risk if there are no trials and no judges. Everyone.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:47 pm to TBoy
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Everyone is at risk if there are no trials and no judges. Everyone
Never before have you and me so been on the same page.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:51 pm to TBoy
I think a comparison could be made to civil asset forfeiture. “No problem, we only take assets from criminals.” It’s all fine and good as long as you have unwavering confidence in the government to get it right every time.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 7:59 pm to Sidicous
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Considering I cannot recall ever seeing a CBP vehicle or agent EVER in my life except on TV/movie screen, I am not worried.
You sound like the perfect resource for determining what should and shouldnt happen on the border then.
PS CBP has jurisdiction within 100 miles of every border, sea and land.
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As far as people with agendas in govt., recent times have shown laws do not matter and do not effect agendas
Yet you advocate for changing such laws?
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:02 pm to kingbob
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The whole purpose of these courts is to provide some form of substantial due process.
You mean overwhelm the system ala Cloward/Piven until the system implodes, and all the people are still here and then the only path forward is to simply adapt? Doesn't matter how it kills the country. That kind of "due process"? It's the same tactic that ambulance chasing lawyers use. Keep it in litigation until other side just gives up because it's not worth the future legal costs.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:09 pm to papasmurf1269
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Can’t say I really disagree
see the constitution does though...
it doesnt say every citizen, its says every person
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:10 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Shouldn't there be a proceeding to make sure somebody is an actual illegal?
I'd like to say that I'm surprised this comment received so many downvotes...but I'm not surprised at all.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:19 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Yet you advocate for changing such laws?
You're really confused. I am posting about enforcing current laws not changing them.
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You sound like the perfect resource for determining what should and shouldnt happen on the border then.
PS CBP has jurisdiction within 100 miles of every border, sea and land.
Never said a thing about ME being in a determining position of anything, again YOU are confused, very confused.
The govt., Congress specifically, determines the Laws. POTUS can only influence the implementation of those laws (potentially the passage, but Congress can override veto).
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:37 pm to ShortyRob
quote:You seem to be arguing that there should be a dfferentmset of standards for those caught wading in the Rio and those caught elsewhere. OK. Where do you draw the line. Sight-line to the river? 50 miles? Border state?
What's your point exactly? If they get caught sneaking and they don't deserve any judges. That group being a small percentage doesn't change that reality
Sorry, but it just does not pass muster.
Out of curiosity, have you ever even SEEN the Rio Grande? It is a different world down there.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:44 pm to AggieHank86
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You seem to be arguing that there should be a dfferentmset of standards for those caught wading in the Rio and those caught elsewhere.
There are defined legal ports of entry.
That's the point, you use a point of entry, you can be denied entry and never receive due process you're just turned away, but if you try to steal your way in you are granted due process? It's asinine.
This post was edited on 6/24/18 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:45 pm to joshnorris14
Not a fan of this. Even war criminals get a trial.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:45 pm to Scoop
quote:Do you not realize that Miguel (or Sven) could be an illegal immigrant eithe five feet OR 500 miles from the Rio? And do you not realize that ICE could grab EITHER of them 500 miles from the border and (under your idiotic proposals) deport them for lack of ID (whether they are illegal, legal OR citizens)?quote:You frickers really move shite around trying to make a point, don’t you?
So, ICE asks Miguel (or Sven) for ID on a street in San Antonio, and he does not have one on his person. We automatically load Miguel (or Sven) onto a bus and dump him in Acuna, right?
First of all, the tweet that this entire thread is based on explicitly refers to ILLEGAL immigrants.
Your rhetoric sounds sensible, until you actually THINK about it for a second or two.
Posted on 6/24/18 at 8:47 pm to TBoy
I would assume legal immigrants have an ID of some kind. If some one suspected of being here illegally and is arrested because they have no proof of legal status (ID) what is the process? Are they held and given time to provide proof. Y’all make it sound like they are immediately dumped across the border ( 
) I don’t know, please explain
) I don’t know, please explainPosted on 6/24/18 at 8:52 pm to Sidicous
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And do you often jog around the Southern US Border? Through the middle of the desert Southwest, during night, along with 13-30 of your closest friends and their kids?
Are you under the impression that's the only place ICE can stop you? They do checkpoints on the Interstate in places like New Hampshire.
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