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re: “Globalization is the redistribution of American wealth to foreign countries.”

Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:41 pm to
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2108 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:41 pm to
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Without us and "globalization", the Chinese would still be living in mud huts and eating dirt


lol - it is the oldest sustaining culture on the planet. They had global trade before recorded history.

Miller should put down the Mein Kampf and read about how the Tang Dynasty created the Silk Road and how the Spice Trade propelled Europe into an era of exploration and colonialism which eventually led to America.




Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:41 pm to
Do you really not know the difference between taxes and tariffs or are you just being obtuse and argumentative?


I’d rather not waste my time explaining them if it’s the latter.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 5:43 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:45 pm to
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Yall will not believe them.


Irrelevant unless your goal is to win e-arguments.

No one on the right is holding out hope for contrition from the left when Trump is vindicated so the beat goes on.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:46 pm to
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Example: An iPhone 15 cost Apple roughly $462 in R&D, parts, labor, and shipping according to Google. Why do they sell for $1400? Because idiots can't quit buying them. Same for most other similar products. You can get a 77in quality TV and a year's worth of streaming and internet for less than $1400.


Yep. The market sets the price. Not the manufacturer.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296540 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:48 pm to
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Irrelevant unless your goal is to win e-arguments.



Its not an e-argument. One side is using objective fact the other, a lot of hoping and faith in one single man.


There has been a boatload of MODERN conservative views on tariffs posted in these threads and you folks refuse to even do the research.

Yall dont want a conversation; you want to "own the libs and rinos" but your tank has nothing in it but hope

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:51 pm to
I'm going to say one thing Schrub.

Your constant, never ending harangues make it difficult if not impossible for anyone to take you seriously.

In other words; Shut the frick up.

Yeah, you claim to be spreading the truth. Your truth. No one cares what you say at this point as you are annoying as frick and people tune your ignorant hippy arse out after the 500th post saying the same fricking shite.

Now, back to ignoring you.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 5:52 pm
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3757 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:53 pm to
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Do you really not know the difference between taxes and tariffs or are you just being obtuse and argumentative? I’d rather not waste my time explaining them if it’s the latter.


Funny you should say that...

Duty vs. Tariff — What’s the Difference?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:56 pm to
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There has been a boatload of MODERN conservative views on tariffs posted in these threads and you folks refuse to even do the research.


For the 9000th time. The tariffs are a means to an end as we negotiate more favorable trade terms.

If you still can’t see that then I don’t know what else to tell you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296540 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 5:59 pm to
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For the 9000th time. The tariffs are a means to an end as we negotiate more favorable trade terms



There are 3-4 different statements Trump has made about tariffs and their purpose, including Fentanyl and illegals crossing the border.

There are various optional MAGA theories on this among your bretheren.


So, no, they arent just a negotiating tool

Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:08 pm to
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Funny you should say that... Duty vs. Tariff — What’s the Difference?


Not to be pedantic but that is duty vs tariff.

Here’s one way a tariff is not a tax. Taxes are itemized on the bill and cannot be paid by the seller. Its impact is on the purchaser.

Tariffs can be absorbed by the seller and may or may not be passed along to the consumer.
The impact of the tariff is to the behavior of the seller.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:11 pm to
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So, no, they arent just a negotiating tool


Well, one thing we can agree on, we’re gonna find out.

Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19453 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:24 pm to
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This is what I'm against. I don't want to copy their bad model (see above)

I’d love to hear your solution to the extremely high tariffs against the US? I don’t pretend to know the answer. Obviously Trump thinks it’s high tariffs against the other countries doing it to us. Does it work? I don’t know? America has been the world’s doormat forever so that didn’t work either.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19453 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:26 pm to
What’s the solution? What do the economics textbooks say when the entire world is punishing you with high tariffs and America just allows it?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:28 pm to
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What’s the solution? What do the economics textbooks say when the entire world is punishing you with high tariffs and America just allows it?


They won’t admit Trump is trying to facilitate more favorable trading terms. Their TDS won’t allow it.

And that is the source of all the consternation on this issue.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 6:29 pm
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3757 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:30 pm to
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Not to be pedantic but that is duty vs tariff.

Yes.

What's the difference?

Spoiler Alert: They're both taxes.

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Tariffs can be absorbed by the seller and may or may not be passed along to the consumer.

Suppose you have an import business. Then one day the federal government shows up at your door and says you will now have to pay the government a percentage of all the goods you're importing. What do you call it?

It looks like a tax. It acts like a tax. It fricking smells like a tax.

We'll call it a 'leverage tool'!
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:31 pm to
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It looks like a tax. It acts like a tax. It fricking smells like a tax.


List is on your receipt as a tax and see how that goes.
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2342 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:35 pm to
At this point the TDS has solidified the prog left into being the party of Wall Street over being a party of working class citizens. If we can sustain this for a year or so, it will be the end of the left as anything other than the party of woke college educated types and they will lose every election held. Get ready for the pressure offense of the elites, they hate it when you take their money and return it to workers.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:38 pm to
Get em Bucky!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466156 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:39 pm to
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Get ready for the pressure offense of the elites, they hate it when you take their money and return it to workers.

Good plan, Karl.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34935 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:40 pm to
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At this point the TDS has solidified the prog left into being the party of Wall Street over being a party of working class citizens. If we can sustain this for a year or so, it will be the end of the left as anything other than the party of woke college educated types and they will lose every election held. Get ready for the pressure offense of the elites, they hate it when you take their money and return it to workers.


They have no principles and so their platform can be nebulous.
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