re: Giuliani concedes he made false statements about Ruby Freeman and her daughter.

I think the DOJ intentionally hid Hunters laptop.

I think the left practiced large scale ballot harvesting which is legal in many states but unethical

And there was an untold amount of mail in ballot fraud. Not to the level to change the outcome.

The first two was probably to the level to change the outcome.

I also think it’s asinine to vote first choice for the person that was supposed to oversee the DOJ that hid hunters laptop and the guy who did not know or was not proactive to start the process to do some harvesting of his own. It was a hot topic PRIOR to the election.

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I think the left practiced large scale ballot harvesting which is legal in many states but unethical

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But it's not always legal even in states that allow it. I know Georgia and Arizona have narrowly defined who can turn in your ballot for you. Illegal harvesting, key word being illegal, was done by the damned truckload in those states. That's not just unethical, that's fraud.

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With 81M votes* attached, how in the world can you draw that conclusion?

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My opinion.

Your opinion is it did.

You are drawing a conclusion that will never get proven. It is no more nor less valid than mine.


I’m making an inference based on people who have seen actual evidence one by one back off.


The other reason I am making that inference is young professionals in fields and lifestyles that had absolutely no business supporting Joe Biden based on his policies were vocally supportive of him despite not supporting any other democratic candidate purely out of spite to Trump.

I didn’t agree with them and tried to get them to see the idiocy if that to no avail.

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Then you aren't looking very hard. The GBI investigated the whole thing and posted a full explanation.

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Thanks, I just read the report. A few things stick out:

1. Every witness agreed they were under the impression that they were done for the night, as indicated in the explanation of why the boxes were under tables (they were sealed for the night). Many employees left for the evening. Not one of the witnesses provided a name as to who instructed them to do so, and only the republican poll watchers offered a description of the person.

2. Poll watcher sought clarification as to whether they were done for the evening and were not provided a clear answer. They eventually left. The point was made several times that they did so on their own. Clearly, an election an employee provided direction to close up shop for the night.

3. Ralph Jones arrived 3 minutes (on camera) after the media left. All of the witnesses that remained said that Ralph Jones made the call (or received a call directing him) to resume counting. However, Ralph indicated that Moss (freeman’s daughter) managed the operations at State Farm.

4. None of the interviewers revealed why they were still there, even after preparing to go home.

I could go on. But I remain unclear as to why they packed up, sent employees home, allowed media and poll watchers to leave, and then immediately proceeded to count again. Who shut them down, and why? Was there a colluded effort to send the public home, and then resume counting? As far as the investigation goes, the report gives zero indication they were even seeking this information.

Moreover, there is zero scrutiny placed on the decision to resume counting with the public not there, despite a reasonable basis to conclude counting was over. The media even reported it was over that night, which the public could be assumed to rely upon.

I can see if you didn’t go into it with any questions of your own, or he report provides you with an answer.

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conspiracy theorists

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Not theorist. We saw the video.

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Because fact-finding has been blocked at every juncture.

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No, it hasn't. You just want to believe it has.

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I can see if you didn’t go into it with any questions of your own, or he report provides you with an answer.

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Well, at least you have changed your questions. You said you could not understand why the actions of Freeman and Moss were allowed, but now you are just curious about the details.

I had a few myself...The report I read never stated when the decision to send ballot counters home occurred. There were references made to "after that decision", but no clear statement of when that happened. Don't know if it was redacted or just not clearly written.

Ralph Jones did not say it was Moss's call. He said when he got to State Farm Arena he got a call from Fulton County Elections Director Richard Ballard asking them to continue counting, so he and Moss agreed to get everyone back to work.

I'm not sure why you are confused by the rest. Not everyone had left. They. Have a lot of security measures to take care of before going home. Once the decision was made to resume counting, why not start immediately? There is no legal requirement to wait for poll watchers to return.

Granted, it was an unusual situation, but it doesn't rise to the level of fraud. The "suitcases under the tables" were placed there with poll watchers watching and security cameras rolling. Nothing nefarious there. Counting ballots with no poll watchers there possibly creates an opportunity for fraud, but there is no evidence fraud actually occurred.

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Granted, it was an unusual situation

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This is the path the Republican Party should take.

Lots of unusual situations.

Anyone who types out the bullshite tripe you typed out to pretend it was truthful should be immediately sent to a padded room.

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a fricking idiot circus.

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A reference to Biden, a crooked FBI, crooked DOJ, and a crooked media ... certainly?