re: Giuliani concedes he made false statements about Ruby Freeman and her daughter.

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You said you could not understand why the actions of Freeman and Moss were allowed, but now you are just curious about the details.

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I’m sorry that I did not make myself clear on what I was unsure of. I was unsure as to why they were counting after the public left. It’s been everyone’s question since this became public. I still don’t have the answer to that question, other than what has been established -they were told to.

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There were references made to "after that decision", but no clear statement of when that happened. Don't know if it was redacted or just not clearly written.

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It’s a pretty big decision, who made it? If you don’t understand why this is the primary issue, then I suppose it isn’t surprising you don’t understand why people think it’s a big deal.

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Ralph Jones did not say it was Moss's call. He said when he got to State Farm Arena he got a call from Fulton County Elections Director Richard Ballard asking them to continue counting, so he and Moss agreed to get everyone back to work.

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Yes I understand that, but all other witnesses believed he was in charge of State Farm. He said Moss was in charge of State Farm. So again, who made the call?

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I'm not sure why you are confused by the rest. Not everyone had left. They. Have a lot of security measures to take care of before going home. Once the decision was made to resume counting, why not start immediately? There is no legal requirement to wait for poll watchers to return.

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And there we have it. There may be no legal requirement they return, but it is a legal requirement that they are allowed to be there. The public has been given no assurance, per the details provided in the report or otherwise, that they weren’t mislead into leaving in the first place. In my opinion, once it was reported by the press to the public that counting had stopped, it was no longer appropriate to count.

As far as “security measures” one of them is to seal the boxes, which had already been done. A reasonable person would conclude that these would not be counted that evening, all of the workers said they did that to preserve until the next day.

Please understand that I’m order for elections to work, people have to actually believe they are fair.

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Granted, it was an unusual situation, but it doesn't rise to the level of fraud

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We don’t know that, and that’s the entire point. There are hundreds of these “unusual situations” that occurred that day. None have been approached with the level of skepticism to actually investigate fraud.

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Counting ballots with no poll watchers there possibly creates an opportunity for fraud, but there is no evidence fraud actually occurred.

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The risk of fraud was greatly increased when they left, it is the control measure on fraud. Read the standards I posted.

I have been paid to apply those standards, and I have been paid to investigate fraud, and there is simply no way I can conclude there was no fraud without that control in place. At that point in time, I can’t conclude there was not fraud or other controls to mitigate it, so I simply cannot rely on the results, regardless of how many times they were counted.

What's strange to me is that if the video conclusively proves that Ruby and her daughter were passing a "ginger mint" instead of a USB Drive, wouldn't one of the hundreds of articles written about Guiliani's false statement include the video (or photos of the frames of the video) that proves it was actually a "ginger mint" instead of a USB Drive?

It was difficult to even find the video in question, but I eventually did find it. It is linked below:

Video of USB or Mint being passed The pass takes place at the 1:45 minute mark of the linked video.

To me it still looks way more like a USB Drive than a "ginger mint". Also, if one is passed a "ginger mint", would it make much sense for that individual to then immediately place said "ginger mint" in their back pocket?

Further, it should be noted that Guiliani's reported admission that he made a false statement does not mean that these ladies automatically win their civil defamation case against him. These ladies still must prove that this reported false statement was made with prior knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false, with the intent to harm the target's reputation.

I think any unbiased individual who looks at the linked video would acknowledge that the item passed looks more like a USB Drive than a "ginger mint", so I see no intent or reckless disregard of whether it was false. However, this lawsuit was filed in DC (i.e., the land of the biased and compromised), so you know how that usually goes for Republicans.

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Steven Cheung looks like fricking Jabba The Hutt. Trump’s employee, Karoline Leavitt, hosts a show on local conservative radio. She makes fun of Chris Christie for his weight, which is funny, but yet she has nothing to say about her boss or Steven Cheung. Trump is fricking fat and looks like a fricking blimp and Cheung has more chins than a Chinese phone book.

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You have fricking convinced me - I'm not voting for Trump because he is overweight.




You are a moron.

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Exactly this! This is not a good thing either...that's because we see just how much pressure is applied by the machine to cower folks who point out things we saw with our own eyes, into submission. Lefties, be careful what you wish for here...

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This is either parody beyond belief or utter delusion.

Every time these Trump clowns are dragged to court, they admit under oath that they lied.

Your belief is that Trump's group is telling the truth in public under no threat of legal accountability but lying in court under direct threat of legal accountability?

C'mon, that's cope and you know it.

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Sounds like a really really weak weaselly guy.

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You don’t know much about Guliani do you?

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You don’t know much about Guliani do you?

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I wonder if Rudy thinks 8% gdp is normal?