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re: "Gender affirming healthcare"
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:35 am to the808bass
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:35 am to the808bass
quote:More often than you see a minor getting transition surgery. In 2020, 203 minors underwent transition surgery.
You see 17 year olds getting breast implants?
By contrast, 7900 minor girls had cosmetic breast surgery (3200 enhancements and 4700 reductions).
quote:True.
Breast implants are actually almost completely reversible.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 11:19 am
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:37 am to HoopyD
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Umm...what? I'm not aware of a single physician who performs that type of surgery advertise it as a "gender affirming surgery". The question is not one of choice to have it performed but rather the terminology used in describing the procedure.
I ran a google search on "gender affirming surgery hospital" Four of the first five links were to surgery practices using the term "gender affirmation."
You are either a total idiot or willing to lie about basically anything.
P.S. Those surgeons probably get hundreds of thousands per patient for the procedures.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:40 am to TigerIron
I think the person you’re responding to was talking about breast surgeries as not being called “gender affirming.”
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:44 am to TigerIron
quote:
I ran a google search on "gender affirming surgery hospital" Four of the first five links were to surgery practices using the term "gender affirmation."
You are either a total idiot or willing to lie about basically anything.
P.S. Those surgeons probably get hundreds of thousands per patient for the procedures.
You and I must be ships passing in the night. Perhaps I didn't explain my point well.
My point relates to breast augmentation, tummy tucks, mommy makerovers, etc... I'm not aware of any physician who advertises or refers to those types of surgeries as "gender affirming". Additionally, I'm not aware of any woman who elects to have one those surgeries refer to as a "gender affirming" surgery.
It was in response to the comment:
quote:
Women who get breast implants have body dysphoria on what they think their gender should look like.
They mutilate their bodies and insert foreign materials in it. Why do you think they are altering their sex organs?
They try to "affirm" their bodies for their gender.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:44 am to the808bass
quote:How I read it as well.
I think the person you’re responding to was talking about breast surgeries as not being called “gender affirming.”
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:46 am to the808bass
quote:
I think the person you’re responding to was talking about breast surgeries as not being called “gender affirming.”
If so, then I retract my insults. at least if they meant "implants." "Top surgery" is definitely described on those sites as being part of "gender affirming" surgery.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:47 am to mahdragonz
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Women who get breast implants have body dysphoria
That's a bold claim, Cotton...
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:53 am to HoopyD
When you control the Language, you control the Culture. The Left is winning & the media is all in on it.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:54 am to HoopyD
quote:
My point relates to breast augmentation, tummy tucks, mommy makerovers, etc... I'm not aware of any physician who advertises or refers to those types of surgeries as "gender affirming".
I don't think they're, "affirming their gender." I think they just want to look better. It's akin to covering blemishes with makeup or wearing spandex to hide cellulite.
They're not under the illusion that they're not women. They know what they are. They just don't like the way they look. We could debate the ramifications of being on some unhappiness/insecurity spectrum, but yeah, a lot of women are unhappy. News at 11.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 10:59 am to mahdragonz
No one is saying you can’t cut off your dick. You’re just not allowed to cut off kid’s dicks
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:03 am to HoopyD
Genital mutilation and sterilization healthcare
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:11 am to HoopyD
Commie playbook.
"Genital mutilation" is the accurate term.
"Genital mutilation" is the accurate term.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:17 am to mahdragonz
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Women who get breast implants have body dysphoria on what they think their gender should look like.
They mutilate their bodies and insert foreign materials in it. Why do you think they are altering their sex organs?
They try to "affirm" their bodies for their gender.
Should only one group have that choice?
Cosmetic procedures and surgeries aren't actually healthcare. It's more akin to getting a body piercing or a tattoo than it is to medicine. It's not comparable.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:20 am to mahdragonz
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Why do you think they are altering their sex organs?
breasts are not sex organs, but thanks for playing.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:20 am to Stingray
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Cosmetic procedures and surgeries aren't actually healthcare. It's more akin to getting a body piercing or a tattoo than it is to medicine. It's not comparable.
Yes, you always hear about women getting breast reconstructive surgery after cancer at the mall at the Claire's hair store with kids getting their ears pierced.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 11:21 am
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:26 am to HoopyD
Mental illness affirming healthcare is itself insane.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:28 am to mahdragonz
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Yes, you always hear about women getting breast reconstructive surgery after cancer at the mall at the Claire's hair store with kids getting their ears pierced.
Are you working on an “Ackshually” merit badge or something?
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:43 am to TigerIron
quote:
Gender is a social and mental construct that is fluid and can and does change.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 11:54 am to mahdragonz
quote:
Yes, you always hear about women getting breast reconstructive surgery after cancer at the mall at the Claire's hair store with kids getting their ears pierced.
By your logic, you think Michael Jackson getting his skin bleached was "healthcare" because he couldn't get it done at the mall.
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:16 pm to HoopyD
For purposes of discussion, let's accept the notion that gender confusion (whether dysmorphia or dysphoria) is a "mental illness."
It seems to me that there are three broad categories of response. First, do nothing. Second, psychological/psychiatric treatment. Third, physical treatment.
Hopefully, not many people propose "do nothing." Again as I see it, the second option is basically an attempt to alter the contents of the package to match its exterior, while the third option is an attempt to alter the packaging to match the contents.
I've yet to see a coherent and logical reason that altering the contents is a better response than altering the packaging.
To the contrary, it seems to me that the "essence" of a person is not the packaging, but the personality, the memories and the thought processes that it contains ... the "soul" if you will. Changing the packaging to match the contents just makes more sense to me, if it were just a toggle switch. It isn't a toggle switch, no two people/patients are the same, and it seems to me that one solution might be best for one person, while the other approach might be better for the other.
The reasoning behind the terminology is not difficult to understand. If the "packaging" is being altered to match the "contents," then the "contents" are being affirmed as being the true essence of the person at issue.
Personally, I could not care less about the terminology.
It seems to me that there are three broad categories of response. First, do nothing. Second, psychological/psychiatric treatment. Third, physical treatment.
Hopefully, not many people propose "do nothing." Again as I see it, the second option is basically an attempt to alter the contents of the package to match its exterior, while the third option is an attempt to alter the packaging to match the contents.
I've yet to see a coherent and logical reason that altering the contents is a better response than altering the packaging.
To the contrary, it seems to me that the "essence" of a person is not the packaging, but the personality, the memories and the thought processes that it contains ... the "soul" if you will. Changing the packaging to match the contents just makes more sense to me, if it were just a toggle switch. It isn't a toggle switch, no two people/patients are the same, and it seems to me that one solution might be best for one person, while the other approach might be better for the other.
quote:Yet another example of worrying more about labels than substance, IMO.
why is a surgery to alter the sexual organs to match the person's self-identified gender considered "gender affirming"?
The reasoning behind the terminology is not difficult to understand. If the "packaging" is being altered to match the "contents," then the "contents" are being affirmed as being the true essence of the person at issue.
Personally, I could not care less about the terminology.
This post was edited on 7/19/23 at 12:43 pm
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