re: "Gender affirming healthcare"

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and was thinking out loud if we were more accepting of how one id's if that may lessen the desire for some of these folks to physically alter themselves.

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I hope you're not serious. So by encouraging by being supportive to someone, trying to become a different sex ,you think would stop them from going further when infact it would push them to go further.

So if a kid with 2 left feet tells you they are a great dancer you think by agreeing with them it would stop them from wanting to take lessons and be part of a dance group.

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mahdragonz

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these kids have a MUCH higher suicide rate than "normal" kids. By definition, they have something wrong with them. So, your solution is to allow a messed up kid to make life altering decisions and have non-reversible surgeries?? Seems logical.


Even CNN Knows This

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Its a mental illness that goes far beyond simply how you look.

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Thanks Cpt Obvious

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The phrase "gender affirming healthcare" is widely used in media reports and studies regarding the matter. This phrase, to the best of my knowledge, includes body altering surgeries.

I've always been confused by this. If the argument is gender does not necessarily correlate with a person's sexual organs, then why is a surgery to alter the sexual organs to match the person's self-identified gender considered "gender affirming"?

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We need to stop using their language, even when in a mocking tone. Using their language is one of the main ways they move the Overton Window left. Call it what it really is - "genital mutilation surgery" instead of sex reassignment and "puberty destroyers" instead of "gender affirming care" or "puberty blockers."

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The human condition is not predicated on “happiness”. Here is your first mistake.

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Ok then help them cope with their mental illness without physically altering themselves. What are your ideas?

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understand what you are saying. I'm coming at this question from the pov of someone who was raised with a sibling that suffered from severe anorexia (and other mental issues)and it contributed to her early death.. No treatments cured her and literally everything was tried. Denying HER reality seemed to exacerbate her view of being over weight. When we backed off and accepted her view of herself or at least did not fight it and tried accommodate her eating and exercise habits she became less focused on it... at least for some time.

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I'm sorry for your loss and I'm sure it was devastating and frustrating for you to have to deal with someone mentally ill. I just don't see where encouraging negative behavior helps in the long run. Obviously it didn't help in you case in the long run again sorry you had to go through that.

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then help them cope with their mental illness without physically altering themselves. What are your ideas?

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Anything to get the focus off themselves. No social media. Learn a trade. Maybe move to the country with no tv and raise animals and have a garden.

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Should only one group have that choice?

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That's not the point at all. The point is that we are told that one's sexual organs (Genitalia) do NOT determine one's gender. Then we are also told that surgically altering one's genitalia is "gender affirming" care. IF, the genitalia does not determine one's gender how then could altering it "affirm" one's gender?

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Why would you steel man child mutilation? "

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I'm not sure how any of my comments steel man child mutilation or even surgery for adults. In fact I was contemplating based on my own experience with someone who had a body dysmorphic mental illness if being more accepting or at least not coming down harshly critical of how they perceive themselves may actually lesson the desire or draw focus away from physically altering themselves. I think it will be dependent on the individual. And I could be completely wrong

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Quit acting like youre "just having a conversation

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I'm not acting like anything. I'm directly engaging in the OPs question. If more folks on this board would actually discuss issues instead of circle jerking or assuming agendas and perspectives it would make for a more interesting time.

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honest discussion is when you actually argue based on your beliefs

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So you don't beleive you can have an honest discussion without arguing your beliefs? What about an honest discussion to help form your beliefs? I honestly don't have strong held beliefs on the trans issue. I find it an extremely fascinating topic and one that potentially has huge implications as transhumanism starts to enter the picture. After all if gender ID is a highly debated issue wait till we start asking What is human.. So Im just asking questions...throwing out ideas to try to form my opinion.

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say you don't agree with toxic hormones and surgeries and are just basically arguing for the sake of discussion.

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Again that is a subject I'm still not sure about at least when it comes to adults.The data is...well there just isn't a lot of it. The pushing of the affirmative care model is problematic imo.

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one on here believes that is the case infact I personally believe, deep down, you're ashamed to admit you believe in trans people. Just FYI, that shame, is your conscience telling you that you're wrong.

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Believe in trans people? I believe there are folks that perceive themselves as trans. Why would I be ashamed of that? I think folks on this board have such strong opinions on this subject and others that it is difficult to engage with someone that doesn't...hence the assumptions and accusations about what I beleive or what I'm ashamed of. It happens a lot...its kinda wierd.